I agree it is not a characteristic test and should not be treated as such. " Q: When taking a Leadership test, sometimes you have to take it on your unmodified leadership. What is your unmodified leadership? (p10) A: Your unmodified Leadership is the highest Leadership characteristic in the uni...

Under characteristic tests: "such a test could be applied against any characteristic the model has, save leadership" So I guess spirit leech cannot be defined as a true characteristic test, nor is it a ld test. "the handlers arnt really a combat unit per se, so we ignore them for most...

how does the signature spell effect monsters and handlers, or ridden monsters? I played against WOC and my opponent insisted that the hell cannon could use the chaos dwarfs ld, so I gave it to him, but I am fairly certain that was wrong since the spell specifically targets a single enemy model and u...

I have been trying a new approach in my recent games and I have been fairly satisfied with the results, although I have found VC challenging. I just finished rewriting the list to add more magic power and I am eager to try my regular lv4/shadow, with a lv2/dark, dark magic should add some badly need...

Well I dropped the dark riders, I always thought they were too expensive with crossbows considering the price of shades. I will try a game without them, but it will be a shame to shelf my custom built dark riders... I added a lv 2 sorceress with death, thought that could be a fun choice especially a...

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Only one problem there - the spell HAS to come off... Or does the switch occur automatically due to the Lore ability(I forget what they call Lore abilities! Embarrassed )? I can't see it being a major problem with four spells thats four opportunities to use smoke and mirrors, you should be successf...

Well I am assuming with shadow lore, she can switch places with the Dread Lord and Assassin after successfully casting a spell. So at first I might keep her in the Corsair unit, then I can switch places with the Dread Lord in the Crossbow unit and retreat to a safe distance while CC unfolds. Finally...

Shades with GW is out totally and shades with adhw is very much in fashion. A solid unit of shades + assassin with rending start/manbane is one of my favourites. They make their points back 90% of the time and sometimes win the game all together for me. What is your definition of a solid unit of sh...

May I recommend the reading of my early analysis about 8th edition? D.R.A.I.C.H. Dark Elves units under 8th edition. I will defiantly read it, I am sure it is very insightful. -For your list, make sure you use the more expensive point cost for the Potion of Strength as it appears in the Dark Elf ar...

P.S. You can combine Dragonhelm with other armor... I am confused... I thought under magic armour it says you can combine different types of magic armour, like a magic curiass and a magic shield etc.. But at the start of the magic item section it clearly says a character can only select one magic i...

With the decreased effectiveness of shooting, I can't justify crossbows. Did they get worse at shooting somehow? But I find a unit of five Dark Riders with Shields incredibly useful. I still consider them entirely disposable (life is harsh in Naggaroth) but they still fulfil the role of redirecting...

I am having a hard time justifying dark riders against shades, shades just seem better in every way now. Can a supporting attack have killing blow or +2 strength from a gw for example, the rule book doesn't seem quite clear although I understand a only 1 supporting attack can be made per model. I ju...

Long time since posting last, equally long since I played. I finally played a game last night with some friends and my army was annihilated to the man. I also got to experience the new rules for the first time, which largely seem unchanged(it's been 9 months since my last game). I am curious how peo...

I have been trying to adapt my list to the new rules and I am determined to use my current models because I do not wish to purchase anymore. Problem is I can't see a use for many of our unit entries any longer. I have been reading a little of the new book and this forum and what I have gathered so f...

Return them to 5th edition salvo rules and they'll be fine. For those who don't remember in 5th edition the salvo shot 4 S4 shots that allowed no armor save and pierced ranks like a single bolt. Lol I was telling my friend about this just the other day, now those were good RBT! Aside from Frenzied ...

@Jadin Hmm.. I misunderstood the entry when it said cannot take an extra weapon. I thought it meant you can't take an additional hand weapon.. How come DE BSB's don't have this restriction?(or did I just miss that one?) It actually says in the slayer entry any number of troll slayers(regular troop) ...

Swab has it right, the RBT has more value than just what it can destroy, it can be incredibly effective at controlling the movement of the enemy if it is deployed carefully. I though his post was a fairly accurate representation of the artillery piece. I don't understand why you would choose to mult...

That's what I always wanted to see in Warhammer. Not the entire battle hinging on 5 models doing well or doing crap (if my dragon (or powerful unit X) gets shot down before turn 3 I lose, otherwise I win) I am just having a hard time seeing the value of elite units with the current rumours. It real...

For example, lets say my opponent and I line up our units and each deploy the max 12" forward in our deployment zones on a 48" long board (quite common). If he goes first and marches his infantry forward 8", I immediately know that he is exactly 16" away from any unit I have fac...

Seriously, I was on board for random charging when the rumour was base movement + 2d6(pick the highest). But now I am having a hard time digesting the fact that infantry can move as quickly as galloping horses, especially when GW attempts to add "realism" to the game, by adding true line o...

I actually like the models, especially the seekers, atleast the mounts are more dynamic then the CO. Granted nothing jumps out as spectacular, but none of it IMO is at all dreadful. Keep in mind the painting is fairly boring on all of those models, especially the seekers and that all of it will be p...

Good to see I am not the only one who thinks a mammoth works fluff wise, I think I may go ahead with this idea. @Tzelok, no problem, let us know how it goes. @Bitterman, interesting idea on the teddy bear fur, I have actually seen a similar process with towel strips over layed on a roof and coated i...

Ugh.. I hope some of this isn't real, because some of it quite frankly sounds dumb, especially the charging rules.. 18" charge range for elves? Really, who decided that would be a good idea and what dumb ass validated it. They may as well have made every model in the game have compulsory moveme...

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