60pt bolt throwers? I dont think GW know quite what to do with skirmishers, neither O&Gs or TKs have any... shades are one of the few functional skirmish units left in game.. no change? repeater crossbows should probably be toned down assuming the missile troops of other races arnt toned up? A l...

Ive tried the ring on some cold one knights in storm of magic: opponents dwarves hit the table... / facepalm turns out it doesn't even work against ancestor runes I wouldnt take non-wizard character models in storm of magic, you need those points for wizards and individual character models drop horr...

I havnt got my book in the post yet, but I believe its impossible to irresistable cast a cataclym spell. Assuming that is your aim, they could just throw all their dice get double 6s too and dispel it... even though you have 2x their roll Correct, you cannot get irresistible force, but the point is...

I havnt got my book in the post yet, but I believe its impossible to irresistable cast a cataclym spell. Assuming that is your aim, they could just throw all their dice get double 6s too and dispel it... even though you have 2x their roll

Ive been trying to come up with a list to teach people the rules of 8th edition, I only have dark elves, I want to make a list thats has easy to figure out counters to for my opponents. Since 8th editiion was released Ive been using shadow lvl 4 and bsb cauldron but my local opponents have been unab...

Nothing wrong with pit when you've got a steam tank coming at you... or a block of 25 black orks. true, the damage spells in shadow can have great results, however they are situational, low initiative is not a constant in WFB armies, the 4 spells I defined as the 'good ones' will serve in every sit...

one lvl 4 sorceress tome of furion.. essential makes the spell choices foolproof
shadow:
always discard steed,
get stuck with either pit or pendulum
guaranteed all the good spells mindrazor, withering, enfeeling, miasma.

I used to use 21 in 7*3 in 7th edition but have found myself using a unit of 24 in 6*4 lately and it has been doing very well. I find I rarely use the cauldron blessing on them as it is busy giving KB to my core (maybe I'm KB addicted?). With 24 they tend to make it to combat with enough bodies to ...

beware of hellcannons... A balanced dark elf army with a lvl4 shadow can handle anything warriors of chaos has.

charge a war hydra into them, use breath weapon for massive combat res, if you really need to break them add a deep spearman unit and cast miasma on the seaguard...

I agree with both the above responses, eldar tanks, either serpents or holofielded prisms/night spinners (I love these) are very tough targets for DE. Always give guardian defenders scatter laser platforms and pick off the inevitable swarm of raiders/venoms/ravagers. I use wraithguard a lot and thes...

Bloodthirster; the withering? -D3 toughness, fire all crossbows you have at it? I've not struggled with bloodletters, wore them down with deep spearmen units (allocate attacks to herald if present?) then hammer a flank with hydra (gotta dodge those flamers), fire off the breath weapon in cc... assum...

Easy choice I take the pendant on my level 4 (for the same miscast reasons).
But even going up to 3k points lvl 4 and cauldron bsb are my only characters I dont have a dreadlord, I prefer more units.

The posing of the sphinx really reminds me of the hell pit abomination, similar body plan, raise one front leg, inconveniently whipping tail. Thats not necessarily a bad thing, but I was expecting a more pseudo-historical theme than this; snake riders

shades cant really be given close combat effectiveness, in fact small (5-10man) infantry units in general dont have close combat effectiveness; you take them for the ballistic skill 5 RxBs, with extra hand weapons they can sometimes take out cheap re-directer units like chaos hounds, harpies or low ...

Ive only used shadow on my level 4, its very effective in game and if I sniped peoples characters I feel people would play me less Ive got a terrific win rate anyway. Aside from pit, which I dont usually waste my time with, shadow works with the games hit/wound/save mechanics (have/lose some stats, ...

crazy beastmen talisman that applies a BS penalty for a turn, a poor mans version of storm banner.. With both items you could get minimum 2 relatively safe turns without being hammered by war machines (50% of which wont work in said turns).

Shouldn't the question should be witch elves or black guard? One of these is almost ubiquitous, and if you feel theres a place for them (and I do) executioners..

Personally I wouldn't field more than 20 of them though :S A unit over 300 points! in 8th; where death stars go to die, no thanks..

Theres a lot of scope for turning the magic items into character options, mounts, rules or lore attributes, O&G designers turned the staff of sneaky stealing (might have the name wrong?) into the goblin lore attribute (steal dispel dice on a 5+?)... We might get the sacrificial dagger bonus dice...

O&G and beastmen should easily make combat so long as they are kitted right, chalice of dark rain should be amazing in such a large game... I'd abandon shooting altogether, take some stubborn units (hold flanks/rear effectively), so black guard, and cauldron khainites. Find a skaven player as th...

I strongly disagree with the lists above. Many of the items you list as being useless I use alot and with succes. How doe you for instance name Seal of Ghrond useless? Getting an extra dispel dice without giving up an arcane slot is very usefull to me. I could name more items as example, but do not...

I dont really see the problem with massively reducing the magic item allowance.. Given the items in the 8th ed rulebook we could lose (without losing anything close to useful): deathmask, hydras teeth, potion of strength,gem of nightmares, sword of ruin, chillblade, heartseeker, hydra blade, soul re...

I remember a VC player demolishing people with his mengil manhide manflayers unit in a campaign way back when they were released... at the time shades were WB/BS 4, hand weapon, RxB. The manflayers, with WS4/BS5, heavy armour, great weapons, RxB, poisened attacks and -1 to hit (-2 at more than 12&qu...

It strikes me that you could replace the 2 portals with 2 raiders for the unmounted wyches and deploy everything on the table

That probably isn't what you wanted to read though...

I go 2x 10 with banner of eternal flame, they serve as my anti-monstrous infantry unit (MI min frontage 9). though they also work well against non asf cavalry when kb blessing is applied, they are 2x 10 rather than 2x7 because I want to field all the we models I have rather than for efficiency, that...