Creeping Death and Shield of Ghrond

Druchiishootlord · Post by **Druchiishootlord** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:19 am

There was a game being discussed today with a friend and he was talking about using Creeping Death on another buddy of his and his lord is armed with the Shield of Ghrond. They had a dispute over the effect of the spell against his lord who was riding a Manti.

my friend: the spell still has the effect but 6's wound.

his buddy: spell does nothing to his lord because the shield reduces the MM to S 0 and so would not be able to do anything.

my opinion: i love my friend but here i think he's way off. the S of the spell is reduced to 0 and because of that it is unable to damage.

a fourth (and so on) party opinion would be nice here. thanks guys.

Opera of death · Post by **Opera of death** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:38 am

Strength 1 hits become strength 0 hits. Resolve the effect of Strength 0 hits.

Druchiishootlord · Post by **Druchiishootlord** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:27 am

i don't personally see a justification for the hits being resolved at S0. i mean it would not be hard at all to imagine a 0 on the to wound chart. but if there is no S to wound something how could you wound it?

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:51 am

I would say that they would need a higher roll or that the spell has no effect.

I think the second option would be the one that most people would chose as the way to do it.

Post by **Vorchild** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:14 am

Its pretty clear that the strength is reduced to 0. No matter how you cut it, that's the case. The question revolves around the result. The result is also fairly clear, though people have disputed. 0 stats do exist, but have varying results. 0 toughness means you're dead, 0 wounds means you're dead, 0 attacks means you can't attack, and 0 strength means you can't hurt anything. So creeping death will have no effect on a character with the shield of ghrond.

Opera of death · Post by **Opera of death** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:52 am

I guess I'm unclear again. Resolving at Strength 0 means no effect because there is no Strength 0 on the chart.

Xarox · Post by **Xarox** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:03 am

Vorchild wrote:0 strength means you can't hurt anything.

That'd be my interpretation, too. As long the Shield does'nt say "Strength reduced by 1 (to a min. of 1) [which it doesn't say]", the effective Strength is 0 and therefore can't wound.

greetz X