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Ehakir
Malekith's Best Friend
Joined: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:45 am Posts: 1138 Location: Located
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A few weeks ago I played a HE player and he used the talisman of loec. Killed what he wanted to kill, and after the battle we read through the rules again. But in the rules stands thay you may choose to re-roll the to-hit rolls, to-wound rolls, and enemy armour saves. But it doesn't say that you can re-roll the failed ones, just that you can re-roll them. For some people this might seem ruleabusement, but there are two options:
1. You may choose to re-roll all of the rolls you made
2. You may re-roll the dice you want to re-roll
Waddayathink?
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:35 pm |
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Silverheimdall
Malekith's Best Friend
Joined: Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:54 pm Posts: 2503 Location: Québec, Canucksda.
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Its been answered by games workshop, though it will be 'official' in the next FAQ .
You reroll to hit and to wound on any dice of the HE's choice.
Even when succesful (to get Killing Blow) but you CAN keep succesful rolls and only roll those you want.
It's 10 points, but it costs you a wound. On a 2wound model this gives half the VP to the enemy and on a prince it makes it easier to kill him.
Also its not just armour saves the target rerolls, its any save.
And compared to the items the Vamps are getting, this is nothing (:
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:57 pm |
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Nagathi
The Exiled One
Joined: Tue Feb 11, 2003 8:34 pm Posts: 8067 Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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You got a source for that?
The wording right now is clear. It says that you may re-roll all the dice. Not "unsuccessful" dice like the wording specifies for the save re-rolls (successful saves). All dice for the to hit and to wound, and successful ones for enemy saves. That's how it's worded.
If you got a FAQ that changes this wording, I'd be very happy to see it
~ Nag
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:09 pm |
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Azure
Rumour Lord of Doom
Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:11 pm Posts: 3483 Location: Har Ganeth (Santa Cruz, CA
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Notice: This is NOT an attack on silver
But as that faq is NOT official and the wording is clear I support reading it as you read most of the rules to help your army, ^^ they must reroll all the dice.
-Rex
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:27 pm |
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Silverheimdall
Malekith's Best Friend
Joined: Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:54 pm Posts: 2503 Location: Québec, Canucksda.
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I don't really care about others opinions on it, ill play it how its been said to play it and if someone has something against it, we'll roll a D6 and I'll score him 0 on sportsmanship.
Quite simple really.
The item is entirely useless if you have to reroll ALL the dice.
Adam Troke is a bad writer (I'll call Adam Copypaste Troke) and doesn't understand the game - or this wouldn't be a problem and neither would many other things in the HE book.
http://www.ulthuan.net/viewtopic.php?t=24262
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:53 pm |
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Azure
Rumour Lord of Doom
Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:11 pm Posts: 3483 Location: Har Ganeth (Santa Cruz, CA
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But Jervis is NOT an official FAQ. Sorry but hes not and you should play with it how the book says, not how some GW employee says when he probably didnt talk to the actualy writers of the book about it. And no, for ten points it isnt nearly worthless because you can use it if you fluff your attacks... Do you really think its that cheap and is meant to do that?
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:56 pm |
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Silverheimdall
Malekith's Best Friend
Joined: Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:54 pm Posts: 2503 Location: Québec, Canucksda.
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Sigh.
Whatever (:
The author of the High Elf book did a crap job. So many annoying debates on items and rules. I'll play it my way, you people play it how you think its played.
And I'll say it again, the new High Elf book is a very poor work.
Also, its 10 points for a ONE USE ONLY that deals you a wound to be allowed to reroll To Hit To Wound and make your opponent reroll any saves.
High Elf items are supposed to be cheaper than other armies, I think the price fits what it should do as Jervis said. And yes, the item is useless if you cannot choose which dice you reroll.
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Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:42 pm |
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Rangeltoft
Noble
Joined: Sun May 01, 2005 9:16 pm Posts: 428 Location: Kalmar, Sweden
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Sorry to say this, but that was in the last edition, there is nothing supporting this now. Stuff/fluff changes with every edition..
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Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:45 pm |
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Geoguswrek
Highborn
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2003 3:57 pm Posts: 616 Location: painting the null stone on my archmage
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they still have 20 point scrolls/stone IIRC
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Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:04 am |
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Rangeltoft
Noble
Joined: Sun May 01, 2005 9:16 pm Posts: 428 Location: Kalmar, Sweden
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Well, as do Empire, atleast the stone is 20 for them
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Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:18 am |
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Ehakir
Malekith's Best Friend
Joined: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:45 am Posts: 1138 Location: Located
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As do O&G, they have a biting blade for 5 pts!? Sword of Might: 10 pts!!!
The items are made more expensive/cheaper to support the fluff IMHO, O&G are an offensive race, so the common magic weapons are cheaper, but the Enchanted shield with 15 pts is more expensive..
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-Ehakir
3/4 of games are won by deathstars. Copy this into your signature if you still use real tactics to win.
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