Ultimate Malekith Killer

Shakra sharktooth · Post by **Shakra sharktooth** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:26 am

Wht caracter is the perfect malekith killer, i would say Grimgor Ironhide with his magic weapon and always strike first abbilety but what do you guys think.

PS im sorry all the wrong spellings

Lord tareq · Post by **Lord tareq** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:51 am

Any character with a magic weapon and either always strikes first or an additonal magic item he can sacrifice is a perfect Malekith killer unfortunately.
They should change his rule so that he always has its wardsave except against Dark Magic and Necromancy, that would be fluffy. Atm the king who "cannot be killed by any weapon made by elf, man or dwarf" can be killed by a character with a sword of might

Khel · Post by **Khel** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:59 am

Either a magicy melle monster of some sort...but i rather not talk about malekith dieing....*Snif*

Dread lord malice · Post by **Dread lord malice** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:14 pm

Oddly enough, Ive killed him once with Shadowblade, and once with Malus Darkblade LOL

. Same guy I was playing against both times, and boy was he pissed. I wouldnt say their perfect, though.
Archaon, Thorgrim, Valten, Tyrion, Gotrek, the list goes on. I like Maleith but hes just not a overly tough character, and in this case he should be. Fluff wise hes one of the most powerful guys in the world. But not stat or rule wise.
~sighs and shakes head~

Post by **Vorchild** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:19 pm

An annointed with a sword of battle is likely the cheapest way to kill him with a character - though if he's getting killed by a character you're either very unlucky or you've made a mistake. There's a reason he has thousands of minion at his beck and call - to fight the nasty guys for him while takes up the easy fights.

Crawd · Post by **Crawd** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:40 pm

I would laugh really hard if he dies from Dryads, it's possible because dryads attacks count as magic weapon.

Darkspear · Post by **Darkspear** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:12 pm

any character can kill him easily. even a lvl 1 sorc with chillwind.

Tenebrae · Post by **Tenebrae** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:16 pm

Most 'sure fire' way I have seen was a flying skink chief with the SoM. S5 flying and some sacred spawning so that he got an extra attack on the charge. Cheap and hideously effective.

Neferata · Post by **Neferata** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:49 pm

I wouldn't use a character to kill Malekith.. Some gutter runners or something perhaps... However if I was forced to use a character I wouldn't bring Archaon or someone as if their magic item got destroyed (if Malekith got the charge, 20 movement..) they would get a hard time. I'd probably use a bret lord with grail vow (magical attacks). That way he wouldn't run away from terror either... Take some ward save, virtue of confidence and some other sweet little things

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N.

Minsc · Post by **Minsc** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:15 pm

*Insert random Wood Elf (elven) hero*

*Give random Wood Elf (elven) hero HoDA*

*Tell random Wood Elf (elven) hero to aim the HoDA on Malekith*

*Listen to the screams of the proud, but soon dead Druchii Witch King*

Post by **Vorchild** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:28 pm

Minsc wrote:*Insert random Wood Elf (elven) hero*

*Give random Wood Elf (elven) hero HoDA*

*Tell random Wood Elf (elven) hero to aim the HoDA on Malekith*

*Listen to the screams of the proud, but soon dead Druchii Witch King*

Guy did that to me once when I was using Malekith and didn't even cause a wound on him.

Minsc · Post by **Minsc** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:39 pm

Then he rolled bad.

Average is 9 shots, 8 hits, 3 on Malekith, 2 wounds.

Roll somewhat above average (say 11 shots, 10 hits, 4 on Malekith and 3 wounds), and the poor 1k pts charachter is toast

Lordofthenight · Post by **Lordofthenight** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:43 pm

It's not as amusing as seeing Waywatchers pop the Blood-dragon lord on zombie dragon in the first turn with a killing blow though. That made me chuckle.

Wights are good at killing ol' Mally - killing blow and magic weapons are always amusing.

Kargan daemonclaw · Post by **Kargan daemonclaw** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:59 pm

Dread Lord Malus wrote:Oddly enough, Ive killed him once with Shadowblade, and once with Malus Darkblade LOL . Same guy I was playing against both times, and boy was he pissed. I wouldnt say their perfect, though.
Archaon, Thorgrim, Valten, Tyrion, Gotrek, the list goes on. I like Maleith but hes just not a overly tough character, and in this case he should be. Fluff wise hes one of the most powerful guys in the world. But not stat or rule wise.
~sighs and shakes head~

Everyone you have listed is also "one of the most powerful guys in the world". So in that exalted company Malekith is barely average. Gortrek is supposed to be able to beat up greater daemons and barely work up a sweat. A little thing like a elf king wouldn't be a warm up. However against all of those characters Malekith would fly around and magic them to death rather than fight them in HTH combat.

So no I don't think Malekith should be any tougher unless you also want to make all the characters you mentioned and daemons and large monsters tougher as well.

Dread lord malice · Post by **Dread lord malice** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:17 am

Point taken. But my point is he's basically the father of our race. Noone else on the list I gave can claim that. But yes, I do suppose your right.

Kargan daemonclaw · Post by **Kargan daemonclaw** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:25 am

Dread Lord Malus wrote:Point taken. But my point is he's basically the father of our race. Noone else on the list I gave can claim that. But yes, I do suppose your right.

Malekith also has 5000 years of being alive he likes it a lot and does not want to risk his personal safety at all.

All the other hero's either want to die or would be prepared to die in the advancement of their cause. There is no way that Malekith (the archtype villian) would risk his hide for another Druchii, except maybe his mother. He is also mortally afraid of sorcerers, since most wizard models are male he should have rules that means he treats all enemy male wizards as causeing terror in him which he should test for even if on a dragon, any wound he takes from such a model should cause an immediate panic test.

You can't just look at one army books fluff and equate that into stats in the game.

Lordofthenight · Post by **Lordofthenight** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:29 am

Archaon wouldn't be prepared to die for Chaos, and neither would Malekith for Morathi.

I wouldn't think Malekith is actually terrified of male wizards though - he duelled with Teclis for long enough afterall. In his arrogance he'd consider non elves to be beneath his notice, not matter how powerful they are.

Dread lord malice · Post by **Dread lord malice** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:51 am

Both posts above make very valid points. But I have to confess I inadverntly led the thread astray. Lets hop back on topic, shall we?

Discipleofkhaine · Post by **Discipleofkhaine** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:18 pm

Malekith also has 5000 years of being alive he likes it a lot and does not want to risk his personal safety at all.

Malkekith dies alot. He can pull his soul back out of the warp though so doesnt stay dead for long.

As far as heros go..any spell caster really.

I would say people like Orion, or a HoDA character, but doesnt his armour make it so that attacks that do multiple wounds can only do a max of one wound per attack?

Sulla · Post by **Sulla** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:37 pm

Minsc wrote:Then he rolled bad.

Average is 9 shots, 8 hits, 3 on Malekith, 2 wounds.

Roll somewhat above average (say 11 shots, 10 hits, 4 on Malekith and 3 wounds), and the poor 1k pts charachter is toast

Of course, malekith could quite easily get to 6 wounds against any elven opposition with sould stealer so the arrow would struggle to kill him then even if you rolled well... Just charge him with dryads if you play him with Woodies.

Garluch · Post by **Garluch** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:29 pm

I would say people like Orion, or a HoDA character, but doesnt his armour make it so that attacks that do multiple wounds can only do a max of one wound per attack?

if i remember it right, hail of doom arrow shots 2d6 ARROWS, not one arrow with 2d6 wounds, it only stops attacks with d3, d6 or other special abillites.

BTW: is he imune to killing blow?, as you get ward and regen in the most cases.

Kargan daemonclaw · Post by **Kargan daemonclaw** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:14 am

Under what situation are we supposed to base the analysis?

If it is a 1-1 comnat challange, then you need characters with magic resistance and a missile attack, because if all they have is melee ability why would malekith do anything other than fly out of charge arc, and magic them and have the dragon breath on them until they are dead?

if you want us to consider the situation where Malekith has made the mistake of charging an enemy character without a nearby champion to take the challange then he is asking for it anyway and anything like and Orge lord would do.

Khel · Post by **Khel** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:24 am

He gets the armour save and Ward save against non magic weapons if that answers your qustion garluch

Minsc · Post by **Minsc** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:17 am

HoDA does 3D6 S4 Arrows, not 3 Arrows dealing D6 wounds, so Malekith is in the red zone when there's a HoDA in the vicinity...

Post by **Drainial** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:48 pm

Oh Khaine how I hate those hail of doom arows (stupid giant killing splinters!)

I would say the best boy to kill Malikith would be Iron brow or failing that any rune lord with an anvil of doom, flying doesnt help when you can blast the your enemys from that far away.