DE Coming in August - Rumor speculation and debate

Lakissov · Post by **Lakissov** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:23 pm

you conttrol frenzied troops by using non-frezied troops. if your whole army is frenzied, this is not an option. that's why the majority of Khorne armies includes quite a few units which don't bear the mark of Khorne (like warhounds)

Post by **Rork** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:32 pm

Even with all frenzied armies you just have to prioritise - your opponent can't bait everything!

Azure · Post by **Azure** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:36 pm

Very true and most of the time he cant bait anything. In my time at GT's and RTT baiting sounds very easy and rarely works out as planned. Sure its used to get flank charges and to bait them forward but I have seen, maybe once or twice, a unit actually getting pushed that far away from the battleline.

-Rex

.theshadowlord. · Post by **.theshadowlord.** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:43 pm

Lowcash wrote:heavy cav is 50pts per model! But they are pretty sweet.

thats because instead of dead guys on horses they are now vampires on horses

faeli-n · Post by **faeli-n** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:47 pm

Reliable source tells me it's Hatred against everyone, Eternal Hatred vs. HE.

Overmind · Post by **Overmind** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:40 am

So we've heard..... from many reliable sources.....

I'm willing to believe it.

Crawd · Post by **Crawd** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:59 am

@Rork:

I have a friend that plays Khorne and he doesn't have an all frienzied army because it's not useful. He gives the mark of Khorne on his hammer units and he uses Beast Herds as screen to control them.

But we aren't Chaos we're supposed to be an army with a stricked discipline mentality, not a free for all army. So Frenzy wouldn't fit since we only hate High Elves.

Saint of m · Post by **Saint of m** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:09 am

Unless GW decides to add: If Witch Elf Charecter is the army general, Witchelves become a core unit.

Then it would be a free for all. I don't know about you, I though DE were a bit more... reserved and cautious then that.

Post by **Rork** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:50 pm

Crawd wrote:@Rork:

I have a friend that plays Khorne and he doesn't have an all frienzied army because it's not useful. He gives the mark of Khorne on his hammer units and he uses Beast Herds as screen to control them.

Certainly. My own army is a 50/50 mix of undivided and Khorne. I'm just pointing out that an all-frenzied army is not necessarily 'unplayable'. It makes life more difficult, but it really can teach you a lot about warhammer.

But we aren't Chaos we're supposed to be an army with a stricked discipline mentality, not a free for all army. So Frenzy wouldn't fit since we only hate High Elves.

Frenzy might fit (and I only say might). Against High Elves in 4th/5th ed, Dark Elf units had to take obedience tests which meant that DE units could all of a sudden 'lose control' and go screaming towards their hated enemy (despite their discipline).

Post by **Underway** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:59 pm

Frenzy might fit (and I only say might). Against High Elves in 4th/5th ed, Dark Elf units had to take obedience tests which meant that DE units could all of a sudden 'lose control' and go screaming towards their hated enemy (despite their discipline).

They did at that Rork, but hatred also gave them an unmodifyable LD 10 in combat against the HE. I would make that trade off again any day. Stubborn 10, such DE goodness back in the day.

Matras · Post by **Matras** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:10 pm

WEll, we can always hope that they bring even more from the old book back. Unfortunately, I guess it will "only" be plain hatred. I seriously don't think that we are talking army-wide frenzy, so this discussion hopefully is unnecessary.

Raneth · Post by **Raneth** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:29 pm

Core BS5 Shades. Now THAT would be a welcome return.

Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:12 pm

Ok enough with the wishlists ok? This is about rumors not what you want to come back.

Lord_jimmy_ · Post by **Lord_jimmy_** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:26 am

Two "Ok's" in one sentence, I can only bow before such mastery of the English language.

Back to the rumours. Executioners auto-wounding and being in groups of minimum 5+. What do we think of this? Are small units of 5-6 better now or still 10-12? I think I would still lean towards the latter. With the increase in special choices and still only 6 per 2000 points, I dont see how having smaller units is beneficial.

The possibility of having core Black Guard if Kouran is taken is very nice. A big anvil unit for counter attack tactics sounds tempting. Again, what do we think of this? There has not been much discussion on these two points.

Saint of m · Post by **Saint of m** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:34 am

This probably means we can take them in smaller games without loosing an arm in a leg point wise, or simply relying on cheap infantry as far as unit size is concern. Auto wounding blows Killing blow out of the watter!

Azure · Post by **Azure** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:49 am

It is nearly confirmed that we will not have a changed force organization chart so Executioners are still going to need to be around 12 to get anywhere near combat without wasting your special choice. Lord Jimmy, I would suggest not insulting a member of the moderator team, even more so when she is merely trying to keep the topic on topic.

-Rex

Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:59 am

Lord_Jimmy_: That is strike one. One more snide comment and you will face a warning.

Lord_jimmy_ · Post by **Lord_jimmy_** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:04 pm

Woah, no need for everyone to get serious. It was just a joke Linda. No harm or insult intended. However I will take my warning with humility and I apologise.

Back on topic. I agree Azure, the 12 does seem necessary to get something out of them. They aren't Swordmasters... :roll:

Post by **Thanee** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:20 pm

Lord_Jimmy_ wrote:Back on topic.

Quoted for emphasis.

Bye
Thanee

Scorpioni · Post by **Scorpioni** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:30 pm

It seems all rumours (and their sources) are extinct

No news at all over the last weeks. Probably due to the upcoming Daemon armybook. When is the next big event/Gamesday? Maybe GW will shed some more light on the Druchii then?

Venkh · Post by **Venkh** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:42 pm

As the thread starter i would be happy to see this locked now.

I think we flogged the poor beast to death a couple of weeks ago to be honest.

Post by **Dark Alliance** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:44 pm

I think that this thread has run its' course now. There has been nothing of any real substance posted for a while now.

As Scorpioni has pointed out, there are no real new rumours and so it's just going round and round in circles. I suspect this is due to a combination of frustration that the release of the new book is so close, and boredom because no one really knows what is coming.

Therefore I am locking this thread before the frustration and boredom turn to anything else.

Anyone who has an issue with this can pm me.

Anyone who has anything new to say can simply start a new thread, but please don't rehash old ground.

Lets move on people