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Shadow blade vs Lokhir Fellheart 

Lokhir Fellheart vs Shadow Blade?
Poll ended at Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:34 pm
Shadow Blade 7%  7%  [ 1 ]
Lokhir Fellheard 93%  93%  [ 13 ]
Total votes : 14

Shadow blade vs Lokhir Fellheart 
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Dear druchii fellows,

I am busy designing a 3,000pts list for a tourney where special characters are allowed.

Morathi is in! Her +5 to any cast is I trust a must have!

But I was thinking to include also a special hero and I am hesitating between:
- Shadow blade. In 8th ed, most characters are embedded in unit. Warchine are deadlier than ever. For both threat, he should be the right solution.
- Lokhir Fellheard. With all these multiple ranks units, he should be able to deliver up to 8-9 attacks S4 with reroll to wound. With COB not far (KB), he can wipe out anything to grant huge CR.

YOur thoughts? Is it worthy to include one of them with our beloved queen? If yes, which one?

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Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:34 pm
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Shadowblade can't actually hide in warmachines anymore, as they aren't considered infantry models. Besides, he's overcosted for such poor equipment in my opinion. Lokhir Fellheart however, gains in the new edition, as the Red Blades bonus becomes even better when enemies rank up a lot.

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Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:53 pm
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Shadowblade entry specifies that he can hide in warmachines.
Shadowblade has been FAQed but not this part.

Still, I concur with you about who lost the most from this edition.
Shadowblade suffers furthermore from the fact that any character may move across a unit in order to come into contact with an enemy.
The old tactics of revealing Shadowblade next to a Level 4 and away from the killy hero is not available anymore.

Lokhir gains as well from terror: it works now in each round of melee.
Overall, Lokhir is more worth his pts than Shadowblade.
Even though, neither one is worth more than the equivalent of troops in a competitive tourney. Think about how many more COK you could take for their price? How many more Execs?
Or one more COB?

Back to topic:
Babnik, it depends: if you have not enough warmachine hunters in your army, then Shadowblade is still better.
If you care more about killing masses, then Lokhir is your hero.
If you don't absolutely need them, take more troops: for the price, you could get a nice killing unit.

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Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:45 pm
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I agree with Calisson that it comes down to the composition of the rest or your army. The character needs to compliment that - it's not a straight up Hero A > Hero B.

For instance if you have a magic heavy army then taking out the enemy's L4 might be the way to go, so shadowblade would be well worth it if that's all he does. Denying the +4 on dispel would be critical.

Lokir is just a beast. The terror is a great bonus too. But of course he's more about taking down rank and file.

I would also consider the 3rd option where you take neither. You don't want to put together the named character parade just because the tournament allows you to. Remember that to take the character you sacrifice a lot of standard units and troops which might serve you better.

Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:59 pm
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Also good to note is the "Slaver" thing for Lokhir- he DOES pay for himself a touch... S. Blade is pretty much "Get rid of the most troublesome person, and then blow up" in some cases lol

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Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:10 pm
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shadow blade is the ultimate defence against cannon sniping as all i have to do is stay hidden for one turn.

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Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:33 am
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Shadowblade is a glorified Warmachine Hunter. I wouldn't trust him to kill any lord level characters (not with 4 attacks) in one round.

He's also good at slaughtering champions in challenges (due to Dark Venom) but since Stalwart exists now, he's highly unlikely to break any unit this way.

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