10 cold one knight unit

Damienhell · Post by **Damienhell** » Fri May 13, 2011 1:01 pm

Hello guys I'm a newb Dark elf
so my question is...
is it a good idea to have a unit of 10 cold one knights?
or is it better to split them up 5-5?

Blaznak · Post by **Blaznak** » Fri May 13, 2011 1:59 pm

Hi!

I think it kind of depends on your army size. I used to do 2 units of 5 but have had a lot more success with 10+.
For one thing, you get supporting attacks, which is nice, if you run them in 2 ranks.
Also, they seem to be able to weather the storm of incoming fire for the first turn just that much better.
Finally, they are just a target for the enemy, but can eat up a lot of fire. As a result, I find them getting across the table, along with more of my army. Try putting the 5+ Ward Save on them, then send them right up the middle. This is a very problematic unit for enemies to deal with!~

Later!
~B~

Vulcan · Post by **Vulcan** » Fri May 13, 2011 3:47 pm

Try using both? Separately and together?

Dark Elves have tremendous variety in competitive army builds. There is nothing in our book that doesn't work well for the right player. It's just a matter of finding the stuff that works best for you.

Grimma · Post by **Grimma** » Fri May 13, 2011 9:23 pm

Units of 5 make the champion vulnerable to being sniped out as he won't get a look-out sire, you need 6 minimum. I have found a unit of 6 does not dish out enough damage to be a real threat to anything other than chaff and is better suited to holding things up due to the 2+ AS. At 10 models with a cauldron you suddenly become able to output a lot more damage and with the Hydra banner can take down just about any unit in the game.

Damienhell · Post by **Damienhell** » Sat May 14, 2011 12:54 am

Ok I got the big picture now

but yesterday when I tried to fit them (the new cold one)
I can't get the back rank to fit, because of the longer tail that the new cold one have.
Do I base them wrong? or everybody got this problem too?

Btw instead of Hydra banner, i was thinking of the asf banner to get the reroll.
but than again does the asf reroll stack with hatred? ( i have a hunch its a no-no)

Littleboyblues · Post by **Littleboyblues** » Sat May 14, 2011 1:34 am

It does not stack. However you can use your ASF reroll after the first round.

Blaznak · Post by **Blaznak** » Sat May 14, 2011 2:05 am

In an open tournament, the ASF banner is almost more important to dope slap those stupid high elves running around. Blech.
~B~

Meteor · Post by **Meteor** » Sat May 14, 2011 2:31 am

Yea they are hard to rank up. Build them slightly angled in their forward facing and it should be fine. That I discovered after painting and everything. But I use two 5x1 trays so I just have the two trays slightly off alignment so the back ones fit between the two front one's tails. So long as your opponent knows where the front of your base is, should suffice.

Damienhell · Post by **Damienhell** » Sat May 14, 2011 2:44 am

Right-right awesome idea, I guess i will magnetize them and split them in 2 tray.

Yeah when I was thinking about the asf banner I was thinking about those lousy HE too

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Thx guys for all your idea and help :lol:

Babnik · Post by **Babnik** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:13 am

Since 8th edition rules, I think 10-12 CoK unit is one of the most exciting in the whole game!

Check this link out:

http://www.druchii.net/viewtopic.php?t=67486

Masked jackal · Post by **Masked jackal** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:15 pm

For the best results, a Dreadlord can be added to this unit. Combined, this bus can take on most elite units. The CoK's shred the elites before they strike back, and the Dreadlord removes any troublesome characters. It's a winning combo!

Silic · Post by **Silic** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:32 pm

I regularly run a unit of 10 CoK with full command. I find that as long as they are maneuvered properly, they are a threat that few things can stand up to properly (or without changing their battle plan).

As for banners; I put a lot of stake into my CoK, and they tend to operate on the flanks, so I am sort of obligated to give them the Gleaming Pennant, which is my insurance policy.

Tethlis · Post by **Tethlis** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:28 pm

Meteor wrote:Yea they are hard to rank up. Build them slightly angled in their forward facing and it should be fine. That I discovered after painting and everything. But I use two 5x1 trays so I just have the two trays slightly off alignment so the back ones fit between the two front one's tails. So long as your opponent knows where the front of your base is, should suffice.

I do the same thing, and don't have any problems for opponents. I think most people realize that some crazy gamers actually built their armies BEFORE 8th edition required huge unit sizes, and not everyone wants to tear apart their existing models just to make them rank up nicely

I have also been running 10+ Cold Ones with Cauldron support in most of my 8th edition games, and they have performed brilliantly every single game. I am continually pleased with the range of targets they can assault and beat with ease, and they're quite hard to counter since they're very resistant to all the game's current mega spells, as well as stone throwers (easy to scatter off them, and only the center hole does real damage) and cannons (as long as you don't present a flank shot, your opponent can rarely kill more than 1 or 2 at a time). Their major ranged vulnerability is the default metal spell, but since metal isn't that popular, it's not a huge issue.

Keep in mind though that you really need the Cauldron to get the greatest effectiveness out of them. Switching between the 5+ Ward and +1 Attack buffs where necessary is important.

Hainzy · Post by **Hainzy** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:40 pm

Hey all!

I've been using the knight bus in pretty much all my games (I usually play 2000 and under). Some times with the back up of the cauldron, sometimes with out. I usually run then with flaming attacks and chuck both my BSB and my general (with the Ring of darkness) in there as well. As I play against alot of Empire, Dwarf and even other Dark Elf players, I find the the Ring of Darkness to be a good investement against shooty armies even though its not really that cheap.

Having Dwarf Crossbows and Empire handgunners hitting on 6's makes sure you get those knights stuck in ASAP!!

I also give the champ the Iron Curse Icon just for that 6+ ward save against warmachines. At 5 pts even if it saves one knight from being squished to a pulp then it's paid for it's self.

Cheers!
H :twisted:

Eolelfslayer · Post by **Eolelfslayer** » Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:31 am

Hello, well most non light cavalry units i see nowadays are between 10 and 20, up to and including chaos knights.
I dont think CoK are an exception.

Damienhell · Post by **Damienhell** » Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:23 pm

oO Sweet-sweet advice
just finished painting my Dreadlord on cold one
after i finished 5 more CoK
will definitly try out that wracking bus of chaos

Setomidor · Post by **Setomidor** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:13 am

I tried one of these units against Skaven yesterday, and they actually performed quite well! I had 12 with Flaming and OTS-Champion (389 pts), and apart from the steep points cost I'm quite satisfied.

Should probably try to find another few points and give the Champion the Dragon Helm as well, to make the unit even more all-round.

Ichiyo1821 · Post by **Ichiyo1821** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:17 am

Another satisfied customer courtesy of the Cold One Pain Train. :twisted:

Lazarus · Post by **Lazarus** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:29 am

Last night I saw the terrifying reality of what happens when a 10 strong unit of COK, accompanied by BSB with Hydra banner and a blessing from a cauldron charges a new terrorgeist....big boney goes poof. Very pleased with their performance.

Wolfrahm · Post by **Wolfrahm** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:05 pm

Thats really great Lazarus but you also have to remember the other units that we ususally end up facing with the Cok. Mine is usually chaos knights which usually sux hard for me so I try to use mine to pick on ezier things like you said, terrorghiest, even giants and alot of the monsters esp. in SoM

Tethlis · Post by **Tethlis** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:05 am

The Cold One block is massively underestimated by lots of opponents, and I simply love how versatile it is. It's found a place in all my lists, and am consistently pleased with how well it performs against a variety of opponents.

Vulcan · Post by **Vulcan** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:22 am

I took 10 plus Hydra BSB and Unkillable Dreadlord vs. 5 Chaos Knights and Chaos Lord.

The CL challenged, the UD accepted, CL did nothing, UD did one wound. The CK killed one COK, the COK massacred the CK. CL blew his test to hold and I ran him down.

Not bad, for the loss of one COK. :lol:

Rommel44 · Post by **Rommel44** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:26 am

Tethlis wrote:The Cold One block is massively underestimated by lots of opponents, and I simply love how versatile it is. It's found a place in all my lists, and am consistently pleased with how well it performs against a variety of opponents.

i too am planning to field a block of 10x COK's w/my Dreadlord and my BSB in the unit for the extra hitting power and not only does it look awesome, I've seen this unit run over everything it comes across so I'm eager to try it. What else do you take in your army with this unit and has it proven successful? Just wondering because I'm still trying to get my DE army off the ground.

Dirty Mac · Post by **Dirty Mac** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:29 am

Ok, the hydra BSB, was on a CO too? did you have FC on the CoK? if so what banner did they have? and what did you give the CoK Champ?
Thanks

Vulcan · Post by **Vulcan** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:40 am

Been a while since that happened, and I run a wide variety of lists, so let me think...

My normal Hydra BSB gets full mundane armor (Heavy, shield, SDC) for a total of a 1+ armor save. A beastmaster's scourge gives him 4 attacks (granted, only S4) with AP, AND allows him to make use of the parry save.

For large units of COK, Hag Graef is where it's at. Being able to strike first and get continuing rerolls against most targets is simply awesone.

I... can't remember for the life of me what I gave the Dreadknight. Since it was a magic-light list, with the Sorceress riding with 10 Medium cav Dark Riders (tried them out for a laugh) way far away, he may have had the Ring of Hotek. Might have taken something else, too, I really don't remember. :oops: