Why are Dark Elf Chariots T5?

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Why are Dark Elf Chariots T5?

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I've been playing with chariots more and more these days. Recently, the question occured to me: why do our chariots have T5 rather than T4?

Here's the thing:
- Dark Elves are base T3.
- Cold One Knights are T3, and even their Cold One Steeds are just T4.
- High Elves - who are also base T3, can only field T4 chariots (including their chunkier lion chariots).

So what is it about our chariots that makes them T5? Are we really that good at metal work that we can make our chasiss so robustly strong (and even if we are, wouldn't this contribute to the armour save rather than the toughness value?) Are there other factors at work?
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They are T5 because we make ours out of metal.

They are T5 because the book says so.
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Heavy Construction of a chariot + Cold One natural toughness = T5 and 3+ Save
They're also only M7 compared to say Lion Chariot M8 or Tiranoc Chariot M9

Why knights aren't T4? Because a dead knight means useless Cold One without a knight to direct it. So once the T3 knight is dead, the Cold One is meaningless.
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Dalamar wrote:Why knights aren't T4? Because a dead knight means useless Cold One without a knight to direct it. So once the T3 knight is dead, the Cold One is meaningless.


Hehe, this is especially true with Cold Ones.


By comparing HE and DE chariots models, both the horse and lion chariots are more delicate, with a wood and metal mix in the construction. I am guessing our chariot needs to be sturdier because we have it chained to Cold Ones and we use scythed wheels.
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Re: Why are Dark Elf Chariots T5?

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Red... wrote:I've been playing with chariots more and more these days. Recently, the question occured to me: why do our chariots have T5 rather than T4? ...


You are asking a rational question about the foibles of GW game design. Stop it or you will go blind.





PS: and its clearly because ours are metal and theirs are plastic.
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Just enjoy it:)
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Post by Calisson »

It is true that our chariot are amazingly sturdy, and that is likely to invite opponent's whining.
The reason is, AFAIK, because the CO themselves are sturdy (scale hide).
But I like better this answer :lol:
Rabidnid wrote:its clearly because ours are metal and theirs are plastic.
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Post by Dante valentine »

I also like to think its due to the fact that ours are no longer produced by GW!

Thus making people with little conversion skills (like me!) who play in GW's so can't substitute other models (like me occasionally) wince in pain when i look at that lovely entry!

Thus has been born the Black Lion Chariot which looks similar to a White Lion Chariot but with less poncy runes, more spiky bits and a distinctly evil and sometimes even Witch Elfy looking crew!

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Post by Clockwork »

Because ours are awesome.

Though I wouldn't mind ASFing Str6 crew and 2 attack Str5 steeds (ala White Lion Chariot), or 4 Str5 crew attacks (looking at you, chaos chariot).
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Rabidnid wrote:
You are asking a rational question about the foibles of GW game design. Stop it or you will go blind.




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Dante Valentine wrote:I also like to think its due to the fact that ours are no longer produced by GW!


What, seriously??
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Discontinued with the release of the new cold ones and not yet replaced unfortunatly.
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That is something GW has done multiple times in the past, and while I wouldn't call it a problem, it is certainly an annoyance. I can't really give you an answer as to why this occurs, other than that perhaps they ran out of time with all the content they push out. But looking on the bright side; more chances for nice conversions!
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Silic wrote:That is something GW has done multiple times in the past, and while I wouldn't call it a problem, it is certainly an annoyance. I can't really give you an answer as to why this occurs, other than that perhaps they ran out of time with all the content they push out. But looking on the bright side; more chances for nice conversions!


This is true on the convertion thing, and now cold ones can be sold separatly from knights, even better.

However, the same could be said about hero and lord charecters. Dark Elves were pretty vacant for models in that area for a long time (I pretty much had to mod 3 spearman, a dark rider, and a old beast master for the job).
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saintofm wrote:This is true on the convertion thing, and now cold ones can be sold separatly from knights, even better.
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I find the CoK boxes one of the better kits for conversions. The CoKs are used for all manner of character and chariot mounts. The torsos are good for upgrading spear command or making characters, and the command bits, banners and muso are all better than the ones in the warrior box.
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You can buy one finecast cold one for over $15... or a box of 5 with knights for $30...
I see no deal there >.> GW's policies will always baffle me.
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All of this is under the assumption you are looking for a chariot pulled by the new cold ones; You can still find the "fat" cold ones (my personal preference, actually) online.
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My chariots are pulled by the old 5th ed Cold Ones. I hate battle cows.
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I converted both of mine into beastmen chariots shortly after the start of 8th.

Didn't think we'd have to wait this long for replacements...
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Why are our chariots T5? Easy, by the way the fluff and the mechanics of the game go, you fight the cold ones and the hard metal of the frame of the chariot, which is also banded with metal wrappings. Cold ones have been described as "too stupid to know there dead". Between that and the reinforced frame of the chariot t5 just fits.
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I come from Beastmen, so let me tell you how amazing CoK chariots are.

20 points more, special allotment.

that's the bad part.

Ld9, T5, shooting and high AS save.

a good all around bargain. Better than COKs imo.
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Post by Geist »

Mind you rank and file while you make good points this thread was a question about why are they T5. What you posted was more a complement, and while that is fine its kinda off topic. Also if you want to debate the pros and cons of chariots vs cold ones, I would gladly go over that with you. Just start a different thread kay?
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