New Dark Elf Fine cast

Mrdark12 · Post by **Mrdark12** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:21 pm

The Dark Elves have just got a new wave of fine cast, things we all expected like Morathi and the CoB.
But they have fine-casted all of our elite (bar Cold one Knights) and have attached a crazy new price tag to all of our major elites.
Thoughts?

Taijushue · Post by **Taijushue** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:17 pm

I just went and took a look at it after I read this.

the cost on WE, EXE, BG is horrible, but then again i wasn't really happy with their price before.

I do like buying harpies and shades in sets of 5, their price doesn't seem too absurd.

what I'm really wondering is who wants to pay $40 USD for a gobbo wolf chariot

Boomkapow! · Post by **Boomkapow!** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:50 pm

Or $132 for 20 Witches, Exies, or BG? That is really stupid.

Thenick18 · Post by **Thenick18** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:57 pm

My thoughts are, I'm done buying direct from GW, I will only be looking for Ebay deals, 3rd party vendors etc. I feel bad for those who run GW hobby shops as I feel these price hikes will price the shops out of business, which may well be GW's long term goal and just rely on the 3rd party vendor/retailer instead of having the overhead of operating their own stores. In terms of US dollars, I have a hard time justifying having to spend more than $50 to get a complete unit, which I personally feel is reasonable. Take the warrior box, it's $70 approx. to build up a 30 man unit.

Killerk · Post by **Killerk** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:08 pm

We are gamer's, we are stupid, because we will buy

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I'm a fan of conversion's. There is quite a lot of WE and HE models we can use to make an druchii army, all it takes is some time to think, and convert.

Yeasir · Post by **Yeasir** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:27 pm

I agree that Ebay will now be our primary source for models. On the brighter side of things, increased ebay demand will prolly equal higher prices we can get if/when we ever go to sell...

Sisstros · Post by **Sisstros** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:23 pm

GW's biggest outlay by far is staffing costs for the shops, and the only reason to keep the shops open is advertising the hobby.

They should shut all of the shops, and encourage and support independent retailers and gaming clubs as a means of propagating the hobby.

Mrdark12 · Post by **Mrdark12** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:32 pm

Sisstros wrote:GW's biggest outlay by far is staffing costs for the shops, and the only reason to keep the shops open is advertising the hobby.

They should shut all of the shops, and encourage and support independent retailers and gaming clubs as a means of propagating the hobby.

Some of the larger University gaming groups have deals with GW or 3rd parties to get a percentage off, I think it should be more wide spread but then again I don;t think it will happen.

And here I was hoping, praying to Ereth Khial that they would make plastic kits for each of them like they have with the High Elves PG and White Lions, I have to say, I am pretty disappointed with what GW has decided to do.

Nightcall · Post by **Nightcall** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:51 pm

Sisstros wrote:GW's biggest outlay by far is staffing costs for the shops, and the only reason to keep the shops open is advertising the hobby.

They should shut all of the shops, and encourage and support independent retailers and gaming clubs as a means of propagating the hobby.

I disagree about shutting the shops. My local GW stores have always been terrific. Kids and adults alike can sit there and paint, put together their models, and play, in a safe environment with expert help to hand for every aspect of the Hobby. A lot of kids get their socialisation here that they would not get elsewhere (come on, how many 13 year olds hide the fact they play Warhammer for fear of being teased). Also, I like to be able to see a paint or mini before I purchase it. I'm glad to support this by spending a bit of £ at GW stores.

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:47 pm

My thoughts are, I'm done buying direct from GW

This is pretty much the same point of view that I have. I do not see how they can charge around $13NZ for one Witch Elf, Black Guard etc. Minimum wage in NZ is $13.50 just to give some perspective and, been an apprentice builder, I am not on much higher than this. To work a full hour just to receive a single non-hero model in return is mental. For a horde of 30 means 30 hours work!

I find it hard to believe that they can justify $64 for 5 models when I remember paying $25 for 3 of the same models in metal not that many years ago, 2-3 I would guess. And even then I would umm and ahh about spending that. I have heard from a GW manager that was not happy about price hikes at one point that when he complained about it he was told the average customer turn over was less than a year and so people would move on, new people would replace them and no one would remember the price rises. This makes sense to me, even if it may not be true, ethic or a good way to treat your customers.

That is where sites like Ebay, Trade Me and other online auction sites come in to play.

Saintofm · Post by **Saintofm** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:51 pm

Nightcall wrote:
Sisstros wrote:GW's biggest outlay by far is staffing costs for the shops, and the only reason to keep the shops open is advertising the hobby.

They should shut all of the shops, and encourage and support independent retailers and gaming clubs as a means of propagating the hobby.

I disagree about shutting the shops. My local GW stores have always been terrific. Kids and adults alike can sit there and paint, put together their models, and play, in a safe environment with expert help to hand for every aspect of the Hobby. A lot of kids get their socialisation here that they would not get elsewhere (come on, how many 13 year olds hide the fact they play Warhammer for fear of being teased). Also, I like to be able to see a paint or mini before I purchase it. I'm glad to support this by spending a bit of £ at GW stores.

I'm going to have to agree here. It's often the best way to get people interested in the hobby, and it allows something different. For example the local hobby shop I go to, is predominantly 40k when it does war games, and while that is the majority, of stores, it doesn't really have a day set for other games other than the half dozen card games and role playing games it does.

As for the others, I'm not impressed that they didn't do a redesign for the couldron, or the fact that everything seems to be 33 bucks for five man units. Most of them were not that great unless they they were 7 wide to beguine with, and even more so with the horde formation. It just dosn't make much sense.

And no chariot still.

Mrdark12 · Post by **Mrdark12** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:23 am

I like the idea of the store, its a good place to game and meet people with the same hobby, the staff are mostly really friendly and cool, some even game against you.
What I can't stand is obvious 'big business' ideal GW HQ seems to have, its infuriating, they should be promoting the Miniature industry instead of trying to become the 'sole provider', and its shocking that they would consider these price hikes when finecast models are easier and quicker to produce than metal ones, and a alot more frail.

Phierlihy · Post by **Phierlihy** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:37 am

I don't think I've purchased a "new" GW model in two years with the exception of a Black Dragon. Their price increase from two years ago stopped me from buying from them. There are now excellent alternatives out there and GW isn't the only provider in town anymore. I realize they've gone "corporate" but if they don't put some love back into the game, the peasants may rebel...

Red... · Post by **Red...** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:32 am

Are GW's price rises a shame?
Absolutely.

Do they need to happen?
I don't think so, but then I don't know their business model, so who knows, maybe they do. That said, finecast is cheaper to make, so you would have thought the prices should go up not down.

Should they close their shops?
Absolutely not. The shops provide an ideal venue for new players to become introduced to the game(s), learn the rules, ask questions, make friends, socialise and so on. Most gamers - even those who play lots of other games (and even those who have subsequently abandoned GW games altogether in favour of games by other manufacturers) - were introduced to the concept of table top gaming at a GW store. Independent stores are fickle in quality, even more fickle in availability and in no way could be relied on to fill any gap that existed in this role.

Will they close the shops?
Obviously not.

Should you buy from other vendors?
Sure - perhaps such a move by a lot of gamers will cause GW to reconsider its approach. That said, I doubt enough people will make such a move, so I imagine it'll be mostly up to personal preference: are you willing to use alternative suppliers and/or invest the time in ebay to get cheaper models, or will you go with the GW standard ones? Up to you.

Is GW good value?
It depends on what you compare it with. Do remember that GW's main rivals are not - contrary to what you might think - other miniature vendors. It's other mass entertainment providers, such as console manufacturers. Now, compared to those: where a console can set you back £300 or so, followed by games of £40 or £50 at the high end, suddenly an army or two at GW prices doesn't seem quite so absurd.

Don't get me wrong, I tend to buy most of my stuff on ebay or via alternative suppliers with alternative models (I also have most of my models these days and so only need to top up), and I disagree with the price jumps. But I still think it can be a little too easy to jump on the "GW are a bunch price gouging punks!" bandwagon with these sorts of things, and it's a good idea to keep the wider picture in mind.

Incidentally, GW's biggest losses have traditionally come from games that don't garner sufficient support based on interest, not on price.

Kabbala · Post by **Kabbala** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:41 pm

I really like and agree with Red's synopsis, well done!

Nightcall · Post by **Nightcall** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:01 pm

Great synopsis, Red!

Whilst the price increases are a bit of a shock, the argument for Finecast's cost is the production method. Yes, resin is cheaper than metal, but the presses for Finecast have a shorter life so need replacing far more frequently.

I am still ambivalent about FC... I've had models that have turned up with bits stretched or missing (GW have replaced these for me), and more worryingly, a mini I left near a warm radiator melted a bit and drooped. It's not as durable as the metal or the plastics.

Post by **Kinslayer** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:57 pm

Currently I am not playing DE just Lizardmen, so I am much happier about my new finecast releases than you guys seem. The core of my army is plastic, including most of the unit special choices, so the pricey finecast additions are not something I need to buy a lot of. I can't understand why GW has increased prices on those DE units by 67%

I will however definitely be picking up a finecast Slann, some salamanders and kroxigor, and the model I have been waiting for, Chakax

Mime · Post by **Mime** » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:52 am

Kinslayer wrote:Currently I am not playing DE just Lizardmen, so I am much happier about my new finecast releases than you guys seem. The core of my army is plastic, including most of the unit special choices, so the pricey finecast additions are not something I need to buy a lot of. I can't understand why GW has increased prices on those DE units by 67%

I will however definitely be picking up a finecast Slann, some salamanders and kroxigor, and the model I have been waiting for, Chakax

This is unfortunatly why GW raise their prices every year, there is always someone willing to pay whatever they charge. Not having a go at you Kinslayer your money is your own and how you spend it is up to you.

As long as we keep buying though GW will keep raising their prices.

I just wish AoW would hurry up and get their DE range under way so I can make some alternitive purchases.

Mrdark12 · Post by **Mrdark12** » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:25 pm

mime wrote:
Kinslayer wrote:Currently I am not playing DE just Lizardmen, so I am much happier about my new finecast releases than you guys seem. The core of my army is plastic, including most of the unit special choices, so the pricey finecast additions are not something I need to buy a lot of. I can't understand why GW has increased prices on those DE units by 67%

I will however definitely be picking up a finecast Slann, some salamanders and kroxigor, and the model I have been waiting for, Chakax

This is unfortunatly why GW raise their prices every year, there is always someone willing to pay whatever they charge. Not having a go at you Kinslayer your money is your own and how you spend it is up to you.

As long as we keep buying though GW will keep raising their prices.

I just wish AoW would hurry up and get their DE range under way so I can make some alternitive purchases.

I have been thinking that about their Dwarf lists, but I got bored waiting and went to mantic instead.

Omnichron · Post by **Omnichron** » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:41 am

So, the blood vestals from Raging Heroes are cheaper than the old and rather outdated witch elves...

I think GW has to rethink their business plan.

Mime · Post by **Mime** » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:40 pm

Not likely to happen though, at least while the current managment is running the show however.

Sad to say but the fine cast was my tipping point in this hobby. I havn't purchased anything new since it was introduced. Still hopeing that GW while see sense and change their bussiness plan.

van Awful · Post by **van Awful** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:45 am

Sad to say but the fine cast was my tipping point in this hobby. I havn't purchased anything new since it was introduced

+1

Last thing i bought @ my LGS where 2 blisters(50% discount) with a metal lokhir and a another hero. And that will be it! If they come with new stuff i really really really want, i'll order from wayland otherwise it will be ebay and such for me!

Killerk · Post by **Killerk** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:09 am

Well I's still continue to play the game, but a new hobby store opened in my area (Poland) and they have ton's of miniature games. Come to think of it most have better minis, and outclass GW rules wise.

Omnichron · Post by **Omnichron** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:45 am

So many other miniatures around now that you can probably play Warhammer without a single GW miniature as well. My daemon army won't have a single GW mini at least

Sulla · Post by **Sulla** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:07 am

MrDark12 wrote:But they have fine-casted all of our elite (bar Cold one Knights) and have attached a crazy new price tag to all of our major elites.
Thoughts?

Thoughts... I'm glad I have all the elites I need for now.

(Thank you, Raging Heroes for the last 15 WE).

I wouldn't buy at the current prices.

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