2250 ETC-double manti

Apo1979 · Post by **Apo1979** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:02 am

Hello,

This is the list I played in a tourney at my local club on the weekend.
I've come 6th out of 20.

Lord on Manti-ha,sdc,death piercer,potion of strength,pendant
Master on Manti-armour of darkness,ring of hotek,lance
Scroll caddy

2x5 riders -xbows
5 naked riders

3x5 harpies

2x5 CoKs
2xCoCs

2RBT
Hydra

I liked it a lot.It is a very fast list.
I played first game vs dwarfs gunline and I scored a draw.At the end only survived 7 dwarfs and the anvil and if I didn't make a funny mistake in the last turn(I charged the anvil with my lord instead 5 last hammerers with bsb I would win the game).
In the 2nd game vs T.Kings I scored a massacre win.I only lost 10 DRs-8 harpies-1 BT-1 CoC. He hadn't any model left on the table.

We played on my local club with ETC restrictions and now I've to drop 2 units of harpies because ETC rules allow only 3 units of flyers(including characters). I'm thinking of replacing the 2 units of harpies with 5 DRs with xbows. What do you think?

Lamekh · Post by **Lamekh** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:09 am

I think you got enough DRs as it is I'd go for 10 xbowwarriors with shields instead, these can baby sit a RBT whilst still adding to your shooting phase.
No Ring of Hotek? That'd be something for your Master, and the BSB upgrade....

Apo1979 · Post by **Apo1979** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:13 am

Sorry,I forgot the ring of hotek on the master.

I editted the list.

I'm not sure about the 10 xbowmen instead of the DRs.

Fingorn · Post by **Fingorn** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:26 am

How does the Crimson Death work with the Potion of Strength ?
Did you leave your scroll caddy all alone ?

Apo1979 · Post by **Apo1979** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:06 am

The potion of strength with the crismon death works well against heavy armour opponents. For instance,knights,lords,chariots etc.

In the 2nd game I used it against the Tomb King lord and I managed to kill him easily.
The scroll caddy in both battles was hidden in a forest.

Lamekh · Post by **Lamekh** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:12 am

The shielded xbow warriors will be able to protect your RBTs from fast cav and flyers. Even in cc they aren't to be laughed at - hatred and a 4+ AS.
That's how I use them anyways.
I would have suggested shades, but your specialslots are used

Post by **Thanee** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:44 am

apo1979 wrote:The potion of strength with the crismon death works well against heavy armour opponents. For instance,knights,lords,chariots etc.

I think he meant the Crimson Death special rule that the wielders Strength is always 6 (so no bonus from the Potion of Strength).

Havn't got the book here, so I do not know off-hand, whether it cannot be lowered below 6 or not be changed from 6 (in which case the potion would be useless for him, pretty much).

Bye
Thanee

Mictian · Post by **Mictian** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:09 am

Crimson Death says: The wielder always strikes with strength 6.
So if you use your potion, you cant also use crimson death, or you will still strike with str 6.

Post by **Thanee** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:57 am

You cannot use another weapon, though, as you always have to use the magic weapon you are armed with. No choice there.

Bye
Thanee

Bbckamaja · Post by **Bbckamaja** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:25 pm

Thanee wrote:You cannot use another weapon, though, as you always have to use the magic weapon you are armed with. No choice there.

Bye
Thanee

Obsidian armour on a BT maybe, seems a bit too tailored for just that..

Apo1979 · Post by **Apo1979** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:33 pm

I haven't thought of this.
Maybe I could swap crismon death for death piercer.

Post by **Dark Alliance** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:36 pm

The potion of strength definitely does not work on crimson death, nor can it be used instead of as correctly pointed out by Thanee.

Apo1979 · Post by **Apo1979** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:42 pm

List eddited.
Swap crimson death for deathpiercer.

Marauder mitch2 · Post by **Marauder mitch2** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:26 pm

You haven't got points for the Hydra Blade?

Apo1979 · Post by **Apo1979** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:35 pm

Marauder Mitch2 wrote:You haven't got points for the Hydra Blade?

It's difficult to find another 10pts. What else should I drop?

It seems to me that the deathpiercer in combo with the manti is a little better for a flying lord.

Marauder mitch2 · Post by **Marauder mitch2** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:43 pm

With the points you save from the 3rd unit of harpies you can get the hydra blade, BSB for the master on manticore and a musicians in a riders unit.

Columind · Post by **Columind** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:04 pm

What about your manti's...against dwarves I figure you lost them in a couple of rounds of shooting no?

I used to run a 2 manti+2hydra back in the 6th...it used to be fun...now it should be even funnier!

Apo1979 · Post by **Apo1979** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:06 pm

Yes ,it's funny! The list is really fast !

Against dwarves i lost 2 wounds from the manti of my master due to shooting and the other 2 wounds after I charged a dwarf's BT and exploded(it has the rune of immolation :shock:

). Although ,the master survived and charged another dwarf BT next turn!

Apo1979 · Post by **Apo1979** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:43 pm

Today,I fought another 2 battles.

1st game VS dwarfs.

He has a typical dwarf gunline. I scored a solid victory.
In the end he had only his anvil and a BT.

2nd game VS beastmen.

He had :
2x3 minotaurs
4 D.ogres
3 chariots
2 herds
3 wizards-1 lord on foot
1 giant
4 screamers
2x5 hounds

It was a draw.
He had 2 times the beast of cowers spell but with the aid of the ring of hotek and scrolls he didn't do anything with his magic.
My RBTs killed the giant and half wounds from 2 chariots.
His D.Ogres broke and caught the hydra( I should flee from his charge but I didn't stupidly and lost my hydra)
My lord on manti broke the 2 units of minotaurs-1 herd and the screamers.
I lost my master on manti from a chariot :shock:

In the end he had 1 herd-lord -4 D.Ogres and 1 wizard.
I had my lord on manti-1 CoC-1 RBT-2 units of riders-sorceress.

After the games I decided to drop 5 harpies and make the master on manti BSB and increase the size of the other 2 units of harpies to 6.

What do you think?

Kheel · Post by **Kheel** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:16 am

I find it slightly amusing that you played a 20 man tourny without anyone whining about potion of strength and crimson death combo

good job

Zardock · Post by **Zardock** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:22 am

I find it slightly amusing that you played a 20 man tourny without anyone whining about potion of strength and crimson death combo

good job

To be Honest I did not realise this was impossible as I read the thread and it was pointed out. Luckily I only use the Crimson Death, never touch the Potion is seems much like a 1 trick pony to me. 30pts of one trick pony at that.

Death Piercer with Potion any good? My friend used it with his manti lord and on the turn he used pot all 3 wounds were rolled as 6's. That would to me defy the point of the potion to be honest.

Otherwise I want to try the Double manti list maybe with 2 hydras to

Looks like your main weakness is letting yourself fall into stupid mistakes, just like 95% of the Gaming Population.

Hulkster · Post by **Hulkster** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:03 am

I like this list alot

Delicate but hard hitting

Please update as you go through and modify it, espec on how battles went and on how well stuff worked.

Apo1979 · Post by **Apo1979** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:57 am

Looks like your main weakness is letting yourself fall into stupid mistakes, just like 95% of the Gaming Population.

That's true!

In any game you win if your opponent does mistakes.

As for the combo death piercer with potion of strength ,in both battles I played I didn't need to use the potion. Maybe I will drop but I want to play 1-2 games more with different opponents(half of my battles were against dwarves

).

Otherwise I want to try the Double manti list maybe with 2 hydras to Very Happy

I could not use 2 hydras

because we play with ETC rules(no double rare choises,only 2 same special choises)