Start of the new GWGT season
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Start of the new GWGT season
This year i have been trying all different kinds of lists most of them posted here.
Now the new GWGT tournament season is coming upon us and i am working on the manti lord for comp events whilst using the dragon mage until i am confident enough with the list. So i have a interesting problem.
i want to build a good list which should be able to handle most GWGT lists.
This is roughly what i have come up with.
Supreme Sorceress, Level 4, Sacrificial Dagger, Pendant of Khaeleth, = 320pts
Sorceress, Level 2, 2 Scrolls = 185pts
Death Hag, Cauldron of Blood, BSB =225pts
20 Spears, FC, Std of Cold Blood = 170pts
10 RXBmen =100pts
10 RXBmen =100pts
5 Harpies =55pts
5 Harpies =55pts
14 Black Guard, FC, ASF, Crimson Death =277pts
5 Cold One Knights =135pts
2 RBTS =200pt
Hydra =175pts
total 1997pts
Now the new GWGT tournament season is coming upon us and i am working on the manti lord for comp events whilst using the dragon mage until i am confident enough with the list. So i have a interesting problem.
i want to build a good list which should be able to handle most GWGT lists.
This is roughly what i have come up with.
Supreme Sorceress, Level 4, Sacrificial Dagger, Pendant of Khaeleth, = 320pts
Sorceress, Level 2, 2 Scrolls = 185pts
Death Hag, Cauldron of Blood, BSB =225pts
20 Spears, FC, Std of Cold Blood = 170pts
10 RXBmen =100pts
10 RXBmen =100pts
5 Harpies =55pts
5 Harpies =55pts
14 Black Guard, FC, ASF, Crimson Death =277pts
5 Cold One Knights =135pts
2 RBTS =200pt
Hydra =175pts
total 1997pts
DJ Dizzy Posted: Jul 1 2009, 08:13 PM
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Looks good Rob, however i think that your spearmen are too important to sacrifice, same with the xbowmen to a lesser extent, i would go for a FF myself.
Also it might be worth considering going FF + 2 Scrolls on the lvl 4 and Dark Steed + Lifetaker on the lvl 2, dropping 1 BG and the musician to get Standard on the CoK, so like this:
Lvl 4, FF, 2 Scrolls = 335
Lvl 2, Steed, Lifetaker = 177
DH, Cauldron, BSB = 225
20 Spears, FC, BoCB = 170
10 RXB = 100
10 RXB = 100
5 Harps = 55
5 Harps = 55
13 BG, Std, Champ, CD*, ASF = 257
5 CoK, std = 151
Hydra = 175
2 RBT = 200
* Another point of note is dropping the Crimson Death to a Soulrender and getting Warbanner on the spears, which is a great option.
Also it might be worth considering going FF + 2 Scrolls on the lvl 4 and Dark Steed + Lifetaker on the lvl 2, dropping 1 BG and the musician to get Standard on the CoK, so like this:
Lvl 4, FF, 2 Scrolls = 335
Lvl 2, Steed, Lifetaker = 177
DH, Cauldron, BSB = 225
20 Spears, FC, BoCB = 170
10 RXB = 100
10 RXB = 100
5 Harps = 55
5 Harps = 55
13 BG, Std, Champ, CD*, ASF = 257
5 CoK, std = 151
Hydra = 175
2 RBT = 200
* Another point of note is dropping the Crimson Death to a Soulrender and getting Warbanner on the spears, which is a great option.
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I'm not sure what your reasoning behind the banner of cold blood is. If it's to prevent a panic test after oversacrificing your warriors I don't think it's neccessary.
They'll do much better with a warbanner and the supreme sorceress with a focus familiar (that way you can take care of any targets that might creep behind your lines without turning whole block of troops around.
They'll do much better with a warbanner and the supreme sorceress with a focus familiar (that way you can take care of any targets that might creep behind your lines without turning whole block of troops around.
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One use only kinda beats that... you either already used it or wasn't expecting to need it on the given turn... At least my experience with the banner
Speaking of GT though, have you guys decided which heat you're going to attend yet?
Speaking of GT though, have you guys decided which heat you're going to attend yet?
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I'm not a fan of the sac dagger if only because you will be killing 3 or 4 warriors a turn to get full use out of it. You really need two spear blocks, with one just being dagger food.
I say PoK for miscasts and FF with a scroll or lifetaker with the remaning points. The other girl I'd give ToF and a scroll or SoG.
Spears are fine with the banner of cold blood. They get one butch turn when they get the bonus for fear/terror checks and all of their combat related checks. Its an excellent use of the warrior magic banner ability - consider it stolen
There are enough banners in your army that the CoKs don't need one.
I say PoK for miscasts and FF with a scroll or lifetaker with the remaning points. The other girl I'd give ToF and a scroll or SoG.
Spears are fine with the banner of cold blood. They get one butch turn when they get the bonus for fear/terror checks and all of their combat related checks. Its an excellent use of the warrior magic banner ability - consider it stolen
There are enough banners in your army that the CoKs don't need one.
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I am looking at Heat 3 at the moment but i will go with biggs to the same one.
I am giving my dragon lord a try out today, but i will try soon.
I am giving my dragon lord a try out today, but i will try soon.
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I seem to have a lot of the same problems you have but I have finally gotten to the point where all of the lists I make turn into the same damn list.
(241) Dreadlord, executioner's axe, blood armour, sea dragon cloak
(185) Sorceress, lvl 2, darkstar cloak, dispel scroll
(180) Sorceress, lvl 2, tome of furion, lifetaker
(225) Death Hag BSB on Cauldron of Blood
(180) 20 Warriors, spear, shield, full command, and warbanner
(185) 14 corsairs, champion, standard, and sea serpent banner
(110) 10 Repeater Crossbowmen, shields
(110) 10 Repeater Crossbowmen, shields
(55) 5 Harpies
(55) 5 Harpies
(257) 13 Black Guard, champion, standard, ring of hotek, and banner of hag graef
(90) 5 Shades, great weapons
(100) Repeater Bolt Thrower
(100) Repeater Bolt Thrower
(175) War Hydra
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The thing is that even with all of the flaws the list may have, I have used it so much now that I know how to make up for it. I really think the trick is to find an army you are comfortable with and just make it work.
Good luck with this GT season!
(241) Dreadlord, executioner's axe, blood armour, sea dragon cloak
(185) Sorceress, lvl 2, darkstar cloak, dispel scroll
(180) Sorceress, lvl 2, tome of furion, lifetaker
(225) Death Hag BSB on Cauldron of Blood
(180) 20 Warriors, spear, shield, full command, and warbanner
(185) 14 corsairs, champion, standard, and sea serpent banner
(110) 10 Repeater Crossbowmen, shields
(110) 10 Repeater Crossbowmen, shields
(55) 5 Harpies
(55) 5 Harpies
(257) 13 Black Guard, champion, standard, ring of hotek, and banner of hag graef
(90) 5 Shades, great weapons
(100) Repeater Bolt Thrower
(100) Repeater Bolt Thrower
(175) War Hydra
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The thing is that even with all of the flaws the list may have, I have used it so much now that I know how to make up for it. I really think the trick is to find an army you are comfortable with and just make it work.
Good luck with this GT season!
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Well i had a good result with my updated 6th ed list. It worked wel and i think i will keep using it.
Dreadlord, Pendant, Caledors Bane, Shield, SDC, Black Dragon - i need to tweak to get armour of darkness so ideas are required.
Sorceress, level 2, scroll
Sorceress, level 2, scroll
10 RXBmen
10 RXBmen
5 Dar Riders, RXBs
5 Harpies
5 Cold One Knights
5 Cold One Knights, Std, ASF
5 Shades
2 RBTs
Hydra
Dreadlord, Pendant, Caledors Bane, Shield, SDC, Black Dragon - i need to tweak to get armour of darkness so ideas are required.
Sorceress, level 2, scroll
Sorceress, level 2, scroll
10 RXBmen
10 RXBmen
5 Dar Riders, RXBs
5 Harpies
5 Cold One Knights
5 Cold One Knights, Std, ASF
5 Shades
2 RBTs
Hydra
DJ Dizzy Posted: Jul 1 2009, 08:13 PM
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Marauder Mitch2 wrote:Dreadlord, Pendant, Caledors Bane, Shield, SDC, Black Dragon - i need to tweak to get armour of darkness so ideas are required.
Drop the ASF banner to the warbanner. My CoKs never did much damage in a flank charge, but flank, banner and warbaner will give you some useful SCR. Ld 10 from the DL should help with the stupidity. Shield, SDC and HA plus 10 points is AoD.
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the thing is i want to keep ASF as against HE's and daemons it is worth its weight in gold.
Another option is to drop the 2nd knight unit and boost the other knights and get som more scrolls, as i think 3 scrolls and a Dark Star Cloak and a potion of strength, and get another unit of harpies.
Another option is to drop the 2nd knight unit and boost the other knights and get som more scrolls, as i think 3 scrolls and a Dark Star Cloak and a potion of strength, and get another unit of harpies.
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I'm gonna be looking at heat one again this year - uni in october would make heats 2 and 3 a bit tricky.
It'll be my Devourer Druchii probably with one slight change. I dont have much choice in the end because all the painted DE models i have are in that army
otherwise I have to take the daemons!
also: re the list - I'd add heavy armour to the DL - that would get your save up to 2+ against shooting anyway... unless you just missed it from the list I'd like hotek too - but you might feel you've got too much magic for that...
It'll be my Devourer Druchii probably with one slight change. I dont have much choice in the end because all the painted DE models i have are in that army
otherwise I have to take the daemons!
also: re the list - I'd add heavy armour to the DL - that would get your save up to 2+ against shooting anyway... unless you just missed it from the list I'd like hotek too - but you might feel you've got too much magic for that...
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Dreadlord, Pendant, Caledors Bane, Armour of Darkness, Black Dragon
Sorceress, level 2, scroll
Sorceress, level 2, scroll
10 RXBmen
10 RXBmen
5 Dar Riders, RXBs
5 Harpies
5 Cold One Knights, Std, ASF
5 Shades
7 Shades, AHW
2 RBTs
Hydra
Sorceress, level 2, scroll
Sorceress, level 2, scroll
10 RXBmen
10 RXBmen
5 Dar Riders, RXBs
5 Harpies
5 Cold One Knights, Std, ASF
5 Shades
7 Shades, AHW
2 RBTs
Hydra
DJ Dizzy Posted: Jul 1 2009, 08:13 PM
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personally im not writing any list until I see the pack, theres meant to be further alteration in the TOS rules pack again. My suggestion to them for this year was to make scoring units US 10 (gets rid of harpie/shade spam armies like mine was last year) and raised units cant score, pushes the game towards the more block unit orientation that they wanted in the first place. Ive heard that they considered making only units with banners scoring but Im hoping that wont happen as it totally screws over certain armies, wood elves or ghoul heavy vampires for example.
Im pretty set on dark elves for the heats again as last year, but I wouldnt bother getting set with any lists yet til you know what your up against.
Im pretty set on dark elves for the heats again as last year, but I wouldnt bother getting set with any lists yet til you know what your up against.
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Wood Elves can have banners in every elf unit, heck maybe that change would actually make Eternal Guard show up, they're a cool unit.
And Ghoul based VCs deserve to be screwed <.<
I also heard it'll be down to US10 with a banner to score/claim quarters... and my current army has whole 2 of those units (that's still infinitely more than my army for last GT!). So lets wait for the pack
And Ghoul based VCs deserve to be screwed <.<
I also heard it'll be down to US10 with a banner to score/claim quarters... and my current army has whole 2 of those units (that's still infinitely more than my army for last GT!). So lets wait for the pack
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Games Won: 114 (54%)
Games Drawn: 33 (15%)
Games Lost: 66 (31%)
8th Edition army book W/D/L:
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last time i checked wardancers couldnt have banners sorry Dal
if US 10 + banners comes in im dead - i dont have any banners at all...
hmmm maybe BoC wouldnt be so bad afterall....
if US 10 + banners comes in im dead - i dont have any banners at all...
hmmm maybe BoC wouldnt be so bad afterall....
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I've seen scounting glade guards with banner so never say never.
I wasn't sure about wardancers... they can have all other command options for sure and I said elves. Forest Spirits are not elves
Also, can't glade guard be fielded with spears? I know it's a stretch and unseen happening with wood elves... but surely they have ranked infantry other than Eternal Guard?
And Slortor, if you don't have any US 10+ units with banners... then you can always wipe out all scoring units on the other side
I wasn't sure about wardancers... they can have all other command options for sure and I said elves. Forest Spirits are not elves
Also, can't glade guard be fielded with spears? I know it's a stretch and unseen happening with wood elves... but surely they have ranked infantry other than Eternal Guard?
And Slortor, if you don't have any US 10+ units with banners... then you can always wipe out all scoring units on the other side
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Games Played: 213
Games Won: 114 (54%)
Games Drawn: 33 (15%)
Games Lost: 66 (31%)
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Dalamar wrote:I've seen scounting glade guards with banner so never say never.
I wasn't sure about wardancers... they can have all other command options for sure and I said elves. Forest Spirits are not elves
Also, can't glade guard be fielded with spears? I know it's a stretch and unseen happening with wood elves... but surely they have ranked infantry other than Eternal Guard?
And Slortor, if you don't have any US 10+ units with banners... then you can always wipe out all scoring units on the other side
1. nope - EG are the only ranked infantry, glade guard dont get spears... thats older editions
2. nice idea - but i'd have to wipe out everything in order to get the win. hmm - maybe find 90 odd points for a unit of spearmen to hide in woods while the rest of the army takes out the oppositions scoring units
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Age: 210
Height/Weight: 5'6", 8 stone
Other: no distinguishing features, barring the brand of a great house left wrist.
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Equipment: Robes, Dagger, Staff
Skills: Power of Ulgu, Power of Chamon
Stats: Ws3, S3, T3, D4, I5
Age: 210
Height/Weight: 5'6", 8 stone
Other: no distinguishing features, barring the brand of a great house left wrist.
Class: Mage
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