Start of the new GWGT season

Marauder mitch2 · Post by **Marauder mitch2** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:53 am

This year i have been trying all different kinds of lists most of them posted here.

Now the new GWGT tournament season is coming upon us and i am working on the manti lord for comp events whilst using the dragon mage until i am confident enough with the list. So i have a interesting problem.

i want to build a good list which should be able to handle most GWGT lists.

This is roughly what i have come up with.

Supreme Sorceress, Level 4, Sacrificial Dagger, Pendant of Khaeleth, = 320pts

Sorceress, Level 2, 2 Scrolls = 185pts
Death Hag, Cauldron of Blood, BSB =225pts

20 Spears, FC, Std of Cold Blood = 170pts
10 RXBmen =100pts
10 RXBmen =100pts
5 Harpies =55pts
5 Harpies =55pts

14 Black Guard, FC, ASF, Crimson Death =277pts
5 Cold One Knights =135pts

2 RBTS =200pt
Hydra =175pts

total 1997pts

Comrade igor · Post by **Comrade igor** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:37 am

Looks good Rob, however i think that your spearmen are too important to sacrifice, same with the xbowmen to a lesser extent, i would go for a FF myself.

Also it might be worth considering going FF + 2 Scrolls on the lvl 4 and Dark Steed + Lifetaker on the lvl 2, dropping 1 BG and the musician to get Standard on the CoK, so like this:

Lvl 4, FF, 2 Scrolls = 335
Lvl 2, Steed, Lifetaker = 177
DH, Cauldron, BSB = 225

20 Spears, FC, BoCB = 170
10 RXB = 100
10 RXB = 100
5 Harps = 55
5 Harps = 55

13 BG, Std, Champ, CD*, ASF = 257
5 CoK, std = 151

Hydra = 175
2 RBT = 200

* Another point of note is dropping the Crimson Death to a Soulrender and getting Warbanner on the spears, which is a great option.

Post by **Dalamar** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:20 pm

I'm not sure what your reasoning behind the banner of cold blood is. If it's to prevent a panic test after oversacrificing your warriors I don't think it's neccessary.
They'll do much better with a warbanner and the supreme sorceress with a focus familiar (that way you can take care of any targets that might creep behind your lines without turning whole block of troops around.

Comrade igor · Post by **Comrade igor** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:27 pm

Panic checks, but more importantly fear, terror and even break tests.

Post by **Dalamar** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:34 pm

One use only kinda beats that... you either already used it or wasn't expecting to need it on the given turn... At least my experience with the banner

Speaking of GT though, have you guys decided which heat you're going to attend yet?

Comrade igor · Post by **Comrade igor** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:43 pm

It's one use only but it lasts for the turn, that's pretty sweet.

Rabidnid · Post by **Rabidnid** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:25 am

I'm not a fan of the sac dagger if only because you will be killing 3 or 4 warriors a turn to get full use out of it. You really need two spear blocks, with one just being dagger food.

I say PoK for miscasts and FF with a scroll or lifetaker with the remaning points. The other girl I'd give ToF and a scroll or SoG.

Spears are fine with the banner of cold blood. They get one butch turn when they get the bonus for fear/terror checks and all of their combat related checks. Its an excellent use of the warrior magic banner ability - consider it stolen

There are enough banners in your army that the CoKs don't need one.

Marauder mitch2 · Post by **Marauder mitch2** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:32 am

I am looking at Heat 3 at the moment but i will go with biggs to the same one.

I am giving my dragon lord a try out today, but i will try soon.

Lord Veshnakar · Post by **Lord Veshnakar** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:46 pm

I seem to have a lot of the same problems you have but I have finally gotten to the point where all of the lists I make turn into the same damn list.

(241) Dreadlord, executioner's axe, blood armour, sea dragon cloak
(185) Sorceress, lvl 2, darkstar cloak, dispel scroll
(180) Sorceress, lvl 2, tome of furion, lifetaker
(225) Death Hag BSB on Cauldron of Blood

(180) 20 Warriors, spear, shield, full command, and warbanner
(185) 14 corsairs, champion, standard, and sea serpent banner
(110) 10 Repeater Crossbowmen, shields
(110) 10 Repeater Crossbowmen, shields
(55) 5 Harpies
(55) 5 Harpies

(257) 13 Black Guard, champion, standard, ring of hotek, and banner of hag graef
(90) 5 Shades, great weapons

(100) Repeater Bolt Thrower
(100) Repeater Bolt Thrower
(175) War Hydra

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The thing is that even with all of the flaws the list may have, I have used it so much now that I know how to make up for it. I really think the trick is to find an army you are comfortable with and just make it work.

Good luck with this GT season!

Marauder mitch2 · Post by **Marauder mitch2** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:37 pm

Well i had a good result with my updated 6th ed list. It worked wel and i think i will keep using it.

Dreadlord, Pendant, Caledors Bane, Shield, SDC, Black Dragon - i need to tweak to get armour of darkness so ideas are required.

Sorceress, level 2, scroll
Sorceress, level 2, scroll

10 RXBmen
10 RXBmen
5 Dar Riders, RXBs
5 Harpies

5 Cold One Knights
5 Cold One Knights, Std, ASF
5 Shades

2 RBTs
Hydra

Post by **Dalamar** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:07 pm

Drop ASF banner from CoKs, give standard to the other unit as well... dropping normal armour from dreadlord should give you enough points for AoD.

Comrade igor · Post by **Comrade igor** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:13 pm

AoD is a bit overkill imo, i'd try to fit a DS and Lifetaker on one of the Sorcs instead.

Post by **Dalamar** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:23 pm

AoD makes all the difference when faced with a gunline really.

Rabidnid · Post by **Rabidnid** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:06 am

Marauder Mitch2 wrote:Dreadlord, Pendant, Caledors Bane, Shield, SDC, Black Dragon - i need to tweak to get armour of darkness so ideas are required.

Drop the ASF banner to the warbanner. My CoKs never did much damage in a flank charge, but flank, banner and warbaner will give you some useful SCR. Ld 10 from the DL should help with the stupidity. Shield, SDC and HA plus 10 points is AoD.

Marauder mitch2 · Post by **Marauder mitch2** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:20 am

the thing is i want to keep ASF as against HE's and daemons it is worth its weight in gold.

Another option is to drop the 2nd knight unit and boost the other knights and get som more scrolls, as i think 3 scrolls and a Dark Star Cloak and a potion of strength, and get another unit of harpies.

Slortor · Post by **Slortor** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:59 am

I'm gonna be looking at heat one again this year - uni in october would make heats 2 and 3 a bit tricky.

It'll be my Devourer Druchii probably with one slight change. I dont have much choice in the end because all the painted DE models i have are in that army

otherwise I have to take the daemons!

also: re the list - I'd add heavy armour to the DL - that would get your save up to 2+ against shooting anyway... unless you just missed it from the list

I'd like hotek too - but you might feel you've got too much magic for that...

Marauder mitch2 · Post by **Marauder mitch2** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:02 pm

Dreadlord, Pendant, Caledors Bane, Armour of Darkness, Black Dragon
Sorceress, level 2, scroll
Sorceress, level 2, scroll

10 RXBmen
10 RXBmen
5 Dar Riders, RXBs
5 Harpies

5 Cold One Knights, Std, ASF
5 Shades
7 Shades, AHW

2 RBTs
Hydra

Grandmaster ej · Post by **Grandmaster ej** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:33 pm

personally im not writing any list until I see the pack, theres meant to be further alteration in the TOS rules pack again. My suggestion to them for this year was to make scoring units US 10 (gets rid of harpie/shade spam armies like mine was last year) and raised units cant score, pushes the game towards the more block unit orientation that they wanted in the first place. Ive heard that they considered making only units with banners scoring but Im hoping that wont happen as it totally screws over certain armies, wood elves or ghoul heavy vampires for example.

Im pretty set on dark elves for the heats again as last year, but I wouldnt bother getting set with any lists yet til you know what your up against.

Post by **Dalamar** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:00 pm

Wood Elves can have banners in every elf unit, heck maybe that change would actually make Eternal Guard show up, they're a cool unit.

And Ghoul based VCs deserve to be screwed <.<

I also heard it'll be down to US10 with a banner to score/claim quarters... and my current army has whole 2 of those units (that's still infinitely more than my army for last GT!). So lets wait for the pack

Slortor · Post by **Slortor** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:41 pm

last time i checked wardancers couldnt have banners

sorry Dal

if US 10 + banners comes in im dead - i dont have any banners at all...

hmmm maybe BoC wouldnt be so bad afterall....

Grandmaster ej · Post by **Grandmaster ej** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:24 pm

Nor can dryads have banners, and who in their right mind is EVER going to take glade guard with a bannner, they may aswell not have the option.

Post by **Dalamar** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:57 pm

I've seen scounting glade guards with banner so never say never.
I wasn't sure about wardancers... they can have all other command options for sure

and I said elves. Forest Spirits are not elves

Also, can't glade guard be fielded with spears? I know it's a stretch and unseen happening with wood elves... but surely they have ranked infantry other than Eternal Guard?

And Slortor, if you don't have any US 10+ units with banners... then you can always wipe out all scoring units on the other side

Slortor · Post by **Slortor** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:49 pm

Dalamar wrote:I've seen scounting glade guards with banner so never say never.
I wasn't sure about wardancers... they can have all other command options for sure and I said elves. Forest Spirits are not elves
Also, can't glade guard be fielded with spears? I know it's a stretch and unseen happening with wood elves... but surely they have ranked infantry other than Eternal Guard?

And Slortor, if you don't have any US 10+ units with banners... then you can always wipe out all scoring units on the other side

1. nope - EG are the only ranked infantry, glade guard dont get spears... thats older editions

2. nice idea - but i'd have to wipe out everything in order to get the win. hmm - maybe find 90 odd points for a unit of spearmen to hide in woods while the rest of the army takes out the oppositions scoring units

Grandmaster ej · Post by **Grandmaster ej** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:11 am

......or do the intelligent thing and wait til the pack comes out and THEN design an army to fit the rules.... like I did last year which got me 6th at the heats

*smug face*

Marauder mitch2 · Post by **Marauder mitch2** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:33 pm

I have a rough idea jamie, but you will like it. Just need to convert kairois.