Dwarf artillery army
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- Puppet of kaine
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Dwarf artillery army
there is a warhammer tournament that I am going to and have decided to use dwarves.please comment on the list
General
runesmith
+ great weapon
+ gromil armour
+ master rune of balance
+ rune of spellbreaking
=157
thane
+ great weapon
+ gromil armour
+ shield
+ rune of cleaving
+ rune of striking
+ rune of warding
=119
engineer
+ gromil armour
+great weapon
=77
core troops
16 warriors
+heavy armour
+shield
+full command
=169
10 thunderers
=140
10 crossbowmen
=120
10 crossbowmen
=120
10 crossbowmen
=120
10 crossbowmen
=120
special troops
2 bolt throwers
=90
2 bolt throwers
=90
1 cannon
=100
17 ironbreakers
+ full command
+rune of slowness
=301
rare troops
1 flame cannon
=140
1 organ gun
=125
total =
1988
General
runesmith
+ great weapon
+ gromil armour
+ master rune of balance
+ rune of spellbreaking
=157
thane
+ great weapon
+ gromil armour
+ shield
+ rune of cleaving
+ rune of striking
+ rune of warding
=119
engineer
+ gromil armour
+great weapon
=77
core troops
16 warriors
+heavy armour
+shield
+full command
=169
10 thunderers
=140
10 crossbowmen
=120
10 crossbowmen
=120
10 crossbowmen
=120
10 crossbowmen
=120
special troops
2 bolt throwers
=90
2 bolt throwers
=90
1 cannon
=100
17 ironbreakers
+ full command
+rune of slowness
=301
rare troops
1 flame cannon
=140
1 organ gun
=125
total =
1988
SRY for my criticism but: You play a shooty army and you only have medium size blocks of infantry? Oh MY GOD!----
Shooty army=defensive= Slayers....take at least a unit of 10 of them!
Then increase your normal unit of Warriors up to 20 at least!
I now some people like Crossbows better becasue of the fluff but I'd go for Thunderers they are more dangerous...the best thing about them is that they can move and fire so they can even be a good flanking unit!....
Boost your Ironbreakers up to 19.....
Use a Lord, A BSB and a Runesmith...(drop the Master Rune of Balance for another scroll or two!)
Your cannon needs a rune of Forging on it!
How about equipping the Bolt Throwers with Runes?
Give one of them Rune of Penetration and the other Master Rune of Skewering!
For your rare choices I'd say only take one of them (Flame Cannon), becasue they are way to expensive used together ( the organ Guns range is too low)!
If i can give you an advise for your lord then use:
Lord
gromril armour
shield
Rune of stone
Master Rune of Swiftness
2 Runes of Cleaving =220 points
Here you have a lord with 4 S6 attacks that always go first!
I you want my opinion play like this
2 Units of 25 Warriors (1 of them Great weapons/ 1 hand weapon shield ....blocks of 20 are ok though)
10 Thunderers (1-2 Units)
10 Slayers
19 ironbreakers
Cannon
2 Bolt throwers
Flame cannon
BSB (Thane with Master Rune of Gromril and Great Axe!)
Runesmith (Rune of Spellbreaking, Rune of Fury)
gromril
Great Weapon.....
Thats how i'd play!
Shooty army=defensive= Slayers....take at least a unit of 10 of them!
Then increase your normal unit of Warriors up to 20 at least!
I now some people like Crossbows better becasue of the fluff but I'd go for Thunderers they are more dangerous...the best thing about them is that they can move and fire so they can even be a good flanking unit!....
Boost your Ironbreakers up to 19.....
Use a Lord, A BSB and a Runesmith...(drop the Master Rune of Balance for another scroll or two!)
Your cannon needs a rune of Forging on it!
How about equipping the Bolt Throwers with Runes?
Give one of them Rune of Penetration and the other Master Rune of Skewering!
For your rare choices I'd say only take one of them (Flame Cannon), becasue they are way to expensive used together ( the organ Guns range is too low)!
If i can give you an advise for your lord then use:
Lord
gromril armour
shield
Rune of stone
Master Rune of Swiftness
2 Runes of Cleaving =220 points
Here you have a lord with 4 S6 attacks that always go first!
I you want my opinion play like this
2 Units of 25 Warriors (1 of them Great weapons/ 1 hand weapon shield ....blocks of 20 are ok though)
10 Thunderers (1-2 Units)
10 Slayers
19 ironbreakers
Cannon
2 Bolt throwers
Flame cannon
BSB (Thane with Master Rune of Gromril and Great Axe!)
Runesmith (Rune of Spellbreaking, Rune of Fury)
gromril
Great Weapon.....
Thats how i'd play!
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yay, way too few block of warriors, or at least something to stand and hold a charge of something else than skinks or light cavalary.....
just slayers, and more slayes, and still more of them...
hey, just go full slayer
just slayers, and more slayes, and still more of them...
hey, just go full slayer
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The problem with slayers are that they tend to get charged and with no armour are easily killed or if its not combat its shooting or magic.Aswell you are only allowed one master rune in your army.
note to self:
do not mourn over every model that dies in battle.
do not bring landraider and whisper to it during battle.
do not say disturbing lotr phrases and quotes during battle.
do not mourn over every model that dies in battle.
do not bring landraider and whisper to it during battle.
do not say disturbing lotr phrases and quotes during battle.
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puppet of kaine wrote:The problem with slayers are that they tend to get charged and with no armour are easily killed or if its not combat its shooting or magic.Aswell you are only allowed one master rune in your army.
You're only allowed one master rune of each type... as long as they're different master runes and on different items, they can be taken (even if being used by the same bearer). For starters, your BSB is not allowed to take a 2-handed weapon if he is carrying the BSB, nor may he take a shield (though he didn't, this is just for reference). I'd take out the slayers entirely and give the thunderers shields if they don't already have them. They can easily double as a really good combat unit (really good, in fact) as well as a missile unit for just 1 point more per model. I'd also give both warrior units GW and shields, so they have the option to choose between a 3+ save and S5, depending on what enemy they are fighting. I don't play dwarfs, but I've heard from a ton of sources who do that having the option is worth much more than the cost implies.
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You're only allowed one master rune of each type... as long as they're different master runes and on different items, they can be taken (even if being used by the same bearer).
You can'ttake more than one master rune in an army.This is out of the rulebook.No master rune may be used more than once per army.
note to self:
do not mourn over every model that dies in battle.
do not bring landraider and whisper to it during battle.
do not say disturbing lotr phrases and quotes during battle.
do not mourn over every model that dies in battle.
do not bring landraider and whisper to it during battle.
do not say disturbing lotr phrases and quotes during battle.
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It's not in the rulebook because the rulebook has nothing to do with Dwarfs. In the army book, it says you may only have 1 of a given type of master rune, but in terms of master runes in general, there may be more than 1 in the army (as long as it's not the same master rune and as long as they're not on the same item).
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pmpn8ez wrote:It's not in the rulebook because the rulebook has nothing to do with Dwarfs. In the army book, it says you may only have 1 of a given type of master rune, but in terms of master runes in general, there may be more than 1 in the army (as long as it's not the same master rune and as long as they're not on the same item).
pmpn8ez is right...I got the rulebook next to me and I've been playing dwarfs for 2 years.....so my expereince (mainly the book) tells me that it is legal!
Use the army that I thought of with some variations and you'll have a good Tournament force!
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Hmmm I have to agree the list isn't really able to take a charge. With only 2 combat units. However with this massed amount of shooting coming towards the enemy it will weaken them immensely. It won't work however. You need mroe and bigger units of warriors and the like. I like it you choose for crosbowmen, they are often under-appreciated, but they can fire at a range of 30 which is alot. Overall I'd say this list needs redoing.
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Would taking a unit of 20 miners and dropping the cannon for some longbeards do the job?Also dropping the organ gun for the goblin hewer?
thanks for the comments
thanks for the comments
note to self:
do not mourn over every model that dies in battle.
do not bring landraider and whisper to it during battle.
do not say disturbing lotr phrases and quotes during battle.
do not mourn over every model that dies in battle.
do not bring landraider and whisper to it during battle.
do not say disturbing lotr phrases and quotes during battle.
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i'd go with a Unit of Warriors equipped with GW instead of the Miners cause they are cheaper
Although miners are more costly with their special rule of coming up from any board edge they could stop the enemy from marching and charge them In the flank.
note to self:
do not mourn over every model that dies in battle.
do not bring landraider and whisper to it during battle.
do not say disturbing lotr phrases and quotes during battle.
do not mourn over every model that dies in battle.
do not bring landraider and whisper to it during battle.
do not say disturbing lotr phrases and quotes during battle.
If they comeout at turn 2 they might be able to stop the enamy from marching 1 unit (flank unit) or none (if they came from the back cause they won't be near enough enemy models....
Then they are too slow to keep up with the enemy battleline that kicks the S*** out of your troops due to flank charges where another unit should have been protecting its flank!
I think they are very good in a steamroller army where the Dwarf player play 5-6 large units and you march up to the enemy and get the miners in their backs!.....yet steamroller armies are only good with ne artillary...
So I'd say go for the GW!
Then they are too slow to keep up with the enemy battleline that kicks the S*** out of your troops due to flank charges where another unit should have been protecting its flank!
I think they are very good in a steamroller army where the Dwarf player play 5-6 large units and you march up to the enemy and get the miners in their backs!.....yet steamroller armies are only good with ne artillary...
So I'd say go for the GW!
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You can take a small unit of miners to take out the enemy artillery and the like... This will be worth it, pointswise anyway.
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Group 24
Khaleth
WS: 4 S: 4 T: 4 D: 3 I: 3
Equipment: Long Sword, Spear, Shield, Light Armour and Wolfskin cloack. 145 Gold.
Skills: -
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Group 24
Khaleth
WS: 4 S: 4 T: 4 D: 3 I: 3
Equipment: Long Sword, Spear, Shield, Light Armour and Wolfskin cloack. 145 Gold.
Skills: -