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What new armies can we expect??

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I know that all stores are mad about GW creating so many different new models but for sure we deserve few more armies... Wood elvies are soon (winter??) coming out with nice more celtic-savage apparition (i love that :lol: ) But what are you betting will be next?? Maybe someone has any rumours?? I think for compliting the races/kingdoms of Old World there should be:

- Chaos Dwarves army (coz they exist and need refresh)

- Cathay army (coz they have nice fluff and can't be forgotten)

- Dogs of War (also need refresh, some rules are too old not adapted to the 6th edition reality also more Tilean aspect would be nice)

Those above are a must IMO...My other ideas:

- Arabian army (nice fluff but it would be difficult to invent some interesting new units) posible units: Sheikh, Vezyr (heros) Riders of Desert, Giant Scorpion, Nomads (Camel Cav)

- Some Marauder of Chaos army (with northern Indian-shamanic aspect)
posible units: War Chief, Shaman (heros), Marauders, Werewolfs

- Mermaid army (coz there must be something living under the waters) posible units: Coral Merfolks, Leviathan, Medusa, Myrmidions

- at least one new unit for Kislev Contingent coz now nobody use them... posibly something like Bearmen of Urslo
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I don't agree only with those Marauders because there is already too much of Chaos in Warhammer. We have Mortals, Deamons, Slanesh, Khorne, Tzeenetch, Nurgle, Undivided, Beastmens, Cult of Pleasure...
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I hope its chaos dwarfs i've been waiting for them since i saw that hell cannon and crew. However i think that it will be wood elves as they keep getting pushed back surley they should be released this year (i think it's winter).

I agree they should make a cathay army, but they might do what they did with kislev and make them a contingent . I remember talking to some staff from my local GW and they said they were pretty sure that an army would be released for cathay.

I think that mermaid idea is a bit far feched, but i would love to see an arabian army as you always here about them as pirates attackin ships and invading the lizardmens lands (south lands not lustria). I do think they should release an army that comes from the sea but that would bve hard as most battles in warhammer are fought over land using land armies.

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- Cathay army (coz they have nice fluff and can't be forgotten)
They're just zeentch chaos, must be the fifth or sixth time I've had to post that today.
- Some Marauder of Chaos army (with northern Indian-shamanic aspect)

We have plenty of chaos thank you.
Mermaid army (coz there must be something living under the waters)

Ogres were pushing it, mermaids are just stupid.
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i agree with Lord Artein and Arquinsiel on the chaos thing, there already is far too much chaos. but i like the idea of a cathay army because they seem to have some cool fluff, as would araby. im not too sure about the mermaid idea though :?

(and Arq, where do i find the fluff about cathay being tzeench chaos?)
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Re: What new armies can we expect??

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Skandalix wrote:- Arabian army (nice fluff but it would be difficult to invent some interesting new units) posible units: Sheikh, Vezyr (heros) Riders of Desert, Giant Scorpion, Nomads (Camel Cav)

Anything from Arabian Nights - Djinn, Ifrit, Ruhks, Medmehr, etc. Also a good number of characters and unit ideas.
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I may have just pulled this idea out of my butt.... but that would be cool if they made cat people.. Kajjit or wutever from morrowind that would be relly sweet.... though I think there should be more "good guy" amries... though what ones? all there is is humans elves and dwarves?
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Don't forget Immortals and Eunich bodyguards as per the Persian Empire. Very cool elites there.

Cathay is hardly Tzeench Chaos. There used to be a Cathay army in the old Warhammer (3rd ed.) and they had Nippon mercinaries that could fight for them (Samuri). There is lost of pre-existing Cathay fluff.

Some of the units

-fireworks launchers
-samuri (Nippon mercenaries)
-ninja/assasin (more mercenaries)
-spearmen
-Jade Dogs (monster)
-archers
-stepps cavalry
-etc...

Personally I think the Cathay army would consist of a horde with a few very elite units. The core troops would be like Peasants in skill level.

Chaos Dwarves are always out there (they need to change the name of them though)

The Armies of Ind and the Hobgoblin Empire are also out there somewhere.

And I doubt very much there will be fishpeople of any sort.
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(and Arq, where do i find the fluff about cathay being tzeench chaos?)

Gienivive undead I believe the book is called.

Cathay is hardly Tzeench Chaos. There used to be a Cathay army in the old Warhammer (3rd ed.) and they had Nippon mercinaries that could fight for them (Samuri). There is lost of pre-existing Cathay fluff.

Which has them ruled by a priesthood of Tzeentch from what I've managed to find so far, with the almost negligable exception of the forces of the monkey god. The champions of Tzeentch in Cathay try to advance to the next level of what they call "the pagoda" which is pretty much just a measure of how much Tzeentch likes you.
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Yeah, they should deffently relese an Arab army... Would just be so cool, if I could drop playing my elefant as a treeman :P
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Cathay army would be great. You shold watch film "Hero" with Jet Li and see what means Deathrain...

Army of some water-beings is also quite good idea. In 5th edition DE Army Book there is something about a mysterious race from the Underworld Sea.
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But the Arab army would be very close to the LotR Haradrim. And besides, the TK are an almost Arab army, right? Or are they Egyptian?


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TK are Egiptians thats for sure...
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The Monkey King rules Cathay in much the same way Karl Franz rules the Empire, and the forces of Chaos are just as hated and repressed in Cathay as they are in the Empire. If you read Beasts in Velvet, when Dien' Ching first appears, we learn he has murdered the Monkey King's ambassador and taken his place. He is an acolyte of Tzeench, and loves deceit, deception, and plans within plans. The empire would never welcome the ambassador of state that is avowedly subject to one of the Chaos gods.

A Cathayan army would be interesting, and could be based on the ancient Chinese. Large blocks of spear-armed peasants, state troops of heavy infantry & artillery, the noble elites in chariots, and mercenary mongol fast cavalry... kind of looks like a blend of Brettonians, Empire, and Tomb Kings. I doubt there would be enough opportunity to make a new and unique army.
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What we will almost certainly see in some point is an army focused around the demi-god necromancer, Nagash. A book of its own is very unlikely but I would expect it to be a combined army list (like CoS) of VC's and Tomb Kings' units along the lines of those in SoC. In the end Nagash is just too popular to be left out and the current undead lists as they are just don't fit him.
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Actually, I would like to see the return of the Fimir. Any old-timers remember them? There have been passing mentions of cyclopean marsh-dwellers in a couple of recent White Dwarfs, so I am keeping an eye out for two or three years down the line.
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All of these are vased purely on rumor:

DOW/Tileans (possibly)
Chaos Dwarves (possibly)
Cathay (rumors say probably)
Nippon (as a separate entity possibly)
Ind (possibly- rumors speak of Tiger-headed Beastmen)
Sea Elves (although they existed back in the 3rd edition, highly unlikely. Introverted High Elves then occupied the inner ring of dougnut-shaped Ulthuan and Sea Elves were their more robust cousins inhabiting the outer ring. They were Seafarers, but they were not aquatic).
Arabians (possibly)
Estalians (possibly, more probably as an Empire Army-list variant or allied contingent like Kislev).
Halflings (highly unlikely- more of a joke list really, like the one published back in the old Citadel Journal)
Amazons (highly unlikely)

Consider the difficulty that GW has had refreshing the Wood Elf book (long delays, schedule push-backs, etc.). Now that the Warhammer game system itself is so stable it gets harder to come up with new armies that are unique and play differently than all the other armies. If the Lustria book sells well, I think we're more likely to see more campaign/geogrpahical theme books than army books, since they enhance the game and have some appeal to all players (special rules & modified army lists). The Arabian book/list may well be this way (special rules for desert fighting with variant army lists for several armies).
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The empire would never welcome the ambassador of state that is avowedly subject to one of the Chaos gods.

Hasn't it gotten Estalians there? Their navy used to fly the flag of Khorne. Now that you mention it though I must try to track that particular novel down and see what I can gather from it.
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I think i'm gonna try to do some trial lists of Arabian and Cathay army so any advices about rules and units are welcomed... I will post it soon in Ideas forum...
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Go for arabians, I like the idea of an arabian all cav army. Try looking at DOW for inspiration.
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Their navy used to fly the flag of Khorne


That ees a veecious rumor, spread by such unsavoree types as Brettonians, who deliberatelee meesinterpreet our proud national seembol of thee upside-down crossgreep peetchfork!
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- Mermaid army (coz there must be something living under the waters) posible units: Coral Merfolks, Leviathan, Medusa, Myrmidions

Since Mermaids dont have feet, how would they fight any army on the land? And there is no scuba gear so no fighting the mermaids on their home turf. I dont think this one will be happening.
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That ees a veecious rumor, spread by such unsavoree types as Brettonians, who deliberatelee meesinterpreet our proud national seembol of thee upside-down crossgreep peetchfork!

And the arabians and asur, who smashed up that navy good by summoning a keeper of secrets to fight your blood thirster.
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Si, untrustworthee hereetic peegs, alla them!
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Actually, I would like to see the return of the Fimir. Any old-timers remember them? There have been passing mentions of cyclopean marsh-dwellers in a couple of recent White Dwarfs, so I am keeping an eye out for two or three years down the line.

I know you didn't mean for the pun but i caught it :lol: now as far as these go don't you think they would fit in with the OK army??? or more like a fen beast type unit? I ain't an old timer but to me just readin' what you read it would only make sense with what I said before.
If the Lustria book sells well, I think we're more likely to see more campaign/geogrpahical theme books than army books, since they enhance the game and have some appeal to all players (special rules & modified army lists). The Arabian book/list may well be this way (special rules for desert fighting with variant army lists for several armies).

This is IMHO what GW needs. Not books where you know the ending ;) hint hint, but books that expand armies to meet an ever growing want to know more about your own armies. ;) Like you said as well that playing in different geographic locations would be nice just not on some flat plain battle fields.
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