3500 Multi-Deamon Army
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- Melikai the wicked
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3500 Multi-Deamon Army
Skull Taker, Chariot of Khorne =300pts
Epidemius =135pts
Herald Of Khorne-, BSB, Banner Of Hellsfire , Firestone Blade , Armor Of Khorne =275pts
Herald Of Khorne- Etherblade =150pts
Herald Of Nurgle Lv.1 , Staff Of Nurgle =215pts
Herald Of Tzeentch-, Flames of Tzeentch , Iredescent Corona =165pts
Bloodletters- Full Command 17+ unit =234pts
Bloodletters-, Full Command 17+ unit =234pts
Plaguebearers- Full Command , Banner of Sweeping Decay 20+ unit =295pts
Pink Horrors-{Musician, Standard}, Banner of Change Changeling 27+ unit =427pts
Flesh Hounds- 5+ unit =175pts
Flesh Hounds- 5+ unit =175pts
Flamers- 5+ unit =175pts
Flamers- 5+ unit =175pts
Blood Crushers-, Blood Reapers 5+ unit =370pts
TOTAL POINTS- 3500
Basicly Its a mixed raced, balance army that consist of hero type charaters.
Cleaned up by Linda
Epidemius =135pts
Herald Of Khorne-, BSB, Banner Of Hellsfire , Firestone Blade , Armor Of Khorne =275pts
Herald Of Khorne- Etherblade =150pts
Herald Of Nurgle Lv.1 , Staff Of Nurgle =215pts
Herald Of Tzeentch-, Flames of Tzeentch , Iredescent Corona =165pts
Bloodletters- Full Command 17+ unit =234pts
Bloodletters-, Full Command 17+ unit =234pts
Plaguebearers- Full Command , Banner of Sweeping Decay 20+ unit =295pts
Pink Horrors-{Musician, Standard}, Banner of Change Changeling 27+ unit =427pts
Flesh Hounds- 5+ unit =175pts
Flesh Hounds- 5+ unit =175pts
Flamers- 5+ unit =175pts
Flamers- 5+ unit =175pts
Blood Crushers-, Blood Reapers 5+ unit =370pts
TOTAL POINTS- 3500
Basicly Its a mixed raced, balance army that consist of hero type charaters.
Cleaned up by Linda
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Next time don't post the points cost of every upgrade etc. Only post the total points cost of the units. Anyway it looks pretty solid with a bit of everything although i'd personally swap out a few heralds and downsize a few units to fit in a greater daemon of either Khorne, Tzeentch or Slaanesh for added close combat power and speed.
Dark Elf Tally using the 6th Ed. list
W: 11 D: 2 L: 8
Dark Elf Tally using the 7th Ed. List
W: 24 D: 2 L: 6
W: 11 D: 2 L: 8
Dark Elf Tally using the 7th Ed. List
W: 24 D: 2 L: 6
- Melikai the wicked
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Ummm...yeah sry bout the breakdown it was a copy and paste from notebook. As for the rest of your commet, while getting a greater deamon will increase hitting power and speed i find that i have made up for it with planety of S5 units then only tthing i believe i do lack would be speed but i think my mage and magical items and flamers more than make up for it.
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Personally I think you'll get wrecked in a 3500 point game with this list. There is no static CR anywhere and no real punch. Ya you have lots of S5 units, but is that really that impressive in 3500 pt game? They're not big units by any means and when you fluff dice rolls when relying on the S5, you'll be in trouble. You can always count on static CR, so I suggest you utilize it.. ESPECIALLY when your army causes fear!
Also, people can, and will, afford to bring 2 monstrous Lords in a game this big and I don't see how you would handle it.
I like that you're trying to bring a diversified list, but I just don't see it working. I really like the idea of a nurgle army in 3500 with epidemius.. simply because of the tallying, but you don't have lots of nurgle so you won't be able to utilize him very much.. making him kind of a waste. If you're going to bring him, drop the two units of bloodletters for plaguebearers to give you somewhat more of an anvil unit. Otherwise, I'd drop epidemius all together and go a different route.
Also, people can, and will, afford to bring 2 monstrous Lords in a game this big and I don't see how you would handle it.
I like that you're trying to bring a diversified list, but I just don't see it working. I really like the idea of a nurgle army in 3500 with epidemius.. simply because of the tallying, but you don't have lots of nurgle so you won't be able to utilize him very much.. making him kind of a waste. If you're going to bring him, drop the two units of bloodletters for plaguebearers to give you somewhat more of an anvil unit. Otherwise, I'd drop epidemius all together and go a different route.
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I can understand your concern as i do not employ a greater deamon but i do not see how having a greater deamon increases my chances. All i see in the greater deamons are a single heavy hitting large target, they do not benifit the army as a whole, all they provide is another target that my opponent can smash against.
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- Harabec
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Personally I don't like the character set up at all.
1)I would certianly second a greater demon at this size of game. Heralds are great and you can easily run all heralds at 2K but by 3500 you will need something to help pound enemy large monsters. Also will add something that can absorb enemy damage. You can help fund this by dropping epidemis and the khorne herald with the etherblade who both add little to the list curerently. If you really don't want a greater demon you could also consider a demon prince.
2)Would suggest dumping Epidemis as you have very few nurgle elements to take full advantage of his abilities.
3)The BSB doesn't currently work with the list. The banner is of little use as you have almost no magic ability in the army. and it will easily be dispelled. Would suggest either a different banner or boosting your magic with a lvl4 greater demon.
4) Would switch the Iridesecent corona on the Tzeetch herald for a spell breaker. You will likely need at least one scroll at this level.
5)Switch the champion in the blood crushers to a standard bearer. The +1 static CR is better then the extra attack at that unit size. Would probably even drop one of the crushers and instead mount your herald on a juggernaut and stick him here. Hatred on these guys is just cruel.
As an additional note, your list is pretty slow currently. I would strongly suggest working in at least 1-2 units of furies or Slaanesh units to rush warmachines and counter enemy flyers/fast cav.
1)I would certianly second a greater demon at this size of game. Heralds are great and you can easily run all heralds at 2K but by 3500 you will need something to help pound enemy large monsters. Also will add something that can absorb enemy damage. You can help fund this by dropping epidemis and the khorne herald with the etherblade who both add little to the list curerently. If you really don't want a greater demon you could also consider a demon prince.
2)Would suggest dumping Epidemis as you have very few nurgle elements to take full advantage of his abilities.
3)The BSB doesn't currently work with the list. The banner is of little use as you have almost no magic ability in the army. and it will easily be dispelled. Would suggest either a different banner or boosting your magic with a lvl4 greater demon.
4) Would switch the Iridesecent corona on the Tzeetch herald for a spell breaker. You will likely need at least one scroll at this level.
5)Switch the champion in the blood crushers to a standard bearer. The +1 static CR is better then the extra attack at that unit size. Would probably even drop one of the crushers and instead mount your herald on a juggernaut and stick him here. Hatred on these guys is just cruel.
As an additional note, your list is pretty slow currently. I would strongly suggest working in at least 1-2 units of furies or Slaanesh units to rush warmachines and counter enemy flyers/fast cav.
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Ok just want to say thanks to everyone for thier comments and after some review I decided that taking in a greater deamon would be the better choice. So here is my revised army list:
Great Unclean One-Lv. 4, Staff of Nurgle. Trappings of Nurgle =670pts
Epidemius =135pts
Herald Of Nurgle Lv.1 , Staff Of Nurgle =215pts
Herald Of Nurgle-Lv.1, Noxious Vapors, Nurgles Rot =215pts
Herald Of Tzeentch-, Flames of Tzeentch , Iredescent Corona =165pts
Bloodletters-Full Command 21+ unit =282pts
Plaguebearers-Full Command, Icon of Eternal Virulence 20+ unit =295pts
Plaguebearers- Full Command , Banner of Sweeping Decay 20+ unit =295pts
Pink Horrors-{Musician, Standard}, Banner of Change, Changeling 27+ unit =427pts
Flesh Hounds- 5+ unit =175pts
Flesh Hounds- 5+ unit =175pts
Flamers- 5+ unit =175pts
Flamers- 5+ unit =175pts
Beast Of Nurgle =100pts
TOTAL POINTS- 3499
Basiclly it more focas on Epidemius and the rest of the nurgle units. Taking the great unclean one for a more magic boost, its still a slow moving army but I perfer to force my opponents to come to me as I hit them with lots of heavy hitting spells.
Great Unclean One-Lv. 4, Staff of Nurgle. Trappings of Nurgle =670pts
Epidemius =135pts
Herald Of Nurgle Lv.1 , Staff Of Nurgle =215pts
Herald Of Nurgle-Lv.1, Noxious Vapors, Nurgles Rot =215pts
Herald Of Tzeentch-, Flames of Tzeentch , Iredescent Corona =165pts
Bloodletters-Full Command 21+ unit =282pts
Plaguebearers-Full Command, Icon of Eternal Virulence 20+ unit =295pts
Plaguebearers- Full Command , Banner of Sweeping Decay 20+ unit =295pts
Pink Horrors-{Musician, Standard}, Banner of Change, Changeling 27+ unit =427pts
Flesh Hounds- 5+ unit =175pts
Flesh Hounds- 5+ unit =175pts
Flamers- 5+ unit =175pts
Flamers- 5+ unit =175pts
Beast Of Nurgle =100pts
TOTAL POINTS- 3499
Basiclly it more focas on Epidemius and the rest of the nurgle units. Taking the great unclean one for a more magic boost, its still a slow moving army but I perfer to force my opponents to come to me as I hit them with lots of heavy hitting spells.
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I think this list will work a lot better than the list you were running before. I hate to dismiss your diverse army idea, I just didn't think it would work. I wasn't even saying a greater demon is compulsory, just highly recommended. I like Nurgle's spell list a LOT. I can't remember it completely without the book, but I remember liking what I saw.
Is there a reason you're running 21 bloodletters? Are you planing to run them 7 wide? I like 6x3, but 7 seems a bit much, but I could be wrong.
Is there a reason you're running 21 bloodletters? Are you planing to run them 7 wide? I like 6x3, but 7 seems a bit much, but I could be wrong.
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I really do like this list much more. I am fully supportive of mixed demon lists but that previous one was rather disjointed and the choices didn't compliment each other. This one is much more characterful and should be greatly more effective.
GOU is good, and provided not oonly a massively tough target but a huge boost to your magic capability. The altered unit choices will also be able to make greater use of Epidemis who didn't have a place previously. I don't see any glary weakness in the new list and is ready for some trial runs. Test things out against a couple different foes before changing much else at this stage.
GOU is good, and provided not oonly a massively tough target but a huge boost to your magic capability. The altered unit choices will also be able to make greater use of Epidemis who didn't have a place previously. I don't see any glary weakness in the new list and is ready for some trial runs. Test things out against a couple different foes before changing much else at this stage.
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