Does Malekith want to destroy Ulthuan?

Voltaire · Post by **Voltaire** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:27 pm

Animosity within the Elven Kingdoms is the crux of the politics of the Dark Elves as Malekith is hell bent on becoming the Phoenix King of Ulthuan and becoming the one in charge of all things elven in the world as befits the son of Aenarion. This creates several interesting points which should probably be addressed, the main on being would the resentment that Malekith feels towards the High Elves actually lead to every single high elf being destroyed or simply everyone in Malekiths path to becoming the Phoenix King?

It just seems illogical for Malekith to simply want to destroy all of the High Elves and rule over a kingdom of corpses. The druchii have a very well established nation in Naggaroth and taking back Ulthuan almost seems like madness in comparison.

What are your opinions on this?

Cananatra · Post by **Cananatra** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:33 pm

I'd say he kills all high elves and all Druchii return to their ancestoral lands on ulthuan, thats part of what they have always been fighting for isnt it?

Bloodyangel · Post by **Bloodyangel** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:35 pm

You think Melekith ISN'T mad? He's spent the last 5000 years obsessively trying to conquer Ulthuan, and failing every time. I think that might be enough to prove that the guy is a bit unhinged.

To think... if he had just taken up needlepoint instead, none of this violence would have happened. :roll:

Post by **Drainial** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:36 pm

Nha he wants to rule not just to kill, he would kill everyone who opposed him for sure and would probobly make lots of examples to solidify his position but he would try and preserve the majority of the population, so long as the did exactly as he told them.

Soupman · Post by **Soupman** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:18 pm

I actually think that given the chance he would butcher the High Elves down to the last child. Come on, he has a rule called "Burning Hatred"

I believe that Malekith will end the war, and I quote Furion of Clar Karond, "when the last of our repugnant cousins is dragged screaming to the altar of Khaine"

Squall · Post by **Squall** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:41 pm

I think that every time he failed, he promised to himself that when the right time comes, all hearts of so called high elves will be reaped of their chests. IMO he will laugh watching the white cities burn to the ground.
I don't think that he wants to become Phoenix King - he probably hates that words more than anything else.

Tich · Post by **Tich** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:27 pm

nah, old mali is the witch king for life now and theres no way he is going to face the flames of asuran again. Also in regards to the topic he doesn't want to destroy ulthuan hewants to rule it. Its population however are another story.

Blackfrost · Post by **Blackfrost** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:24 am

I see some of the Asur being taken as slaves for a time before Malekith grows tired of them.

Long Live The Witch King!

Fingol darkwater · Post by **Fingol darkwater** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:03 am

The Druchii have high elf slaves now, that's not new.

Saint of m · Post by **Saint of m** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:59 am

It's more of an ego thing. He's the son of the man who saved the world. He was not given the postiono he wanted, didn't bide his time long enough, and was burned severly for it Weather his rivals trully did something to the sacred flames or not is beyond the point. THe fact he hates them because what happened to his body (two good looking parents had to make a beutifl kid; which the flames did short work of!)
He has drilled this idea into his followers so much, he beleives it himself. Now, nothing short of compleat oblivion of the He will suffice.

Khel · Post by **Khel** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:35 am

Malekith obviously still wants to take what is ritefully his. The Crown and the Kingdom of Ulthuan. Also you must remember that Malekith doesn't lose the battles in Ulthuan. GW makes him lose the battles.

Lordofthenight · Post by **Lordofthenight** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:52 am

And the losses are usually due to an unforseeable deus ex machina. Malekith makes his plans, has everything perfectly worked out - he is the greatest general in the world afterall - and then everything goes to crap when Tyrion and Teclis pop up, refuse to die, and defeat everything.

Next time it'll be different (or, you know, not. But we can hope).

Post by **Drainial** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:16 pm

You know with the greatest assasins in the world at his disposal its realy suprising that Tyron remains in the world of the living, Teclis might have magical wards on him whilst he sleeps but I would imagine that a dagger in the neck whilst he slept would deeply inconviniance Tryron. Either way it does say in the old HE book in the section about him blinding Eltharion that the high elves are only misguided fools and that they will be brought back into the fold once they are shown the error of there ways. That certainly sugests that he is not at all adverse to ruling them. Afterall in the sword of Khaine Malekith saw a septer.

Saint of m · Post by **Saint of m** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:46 pm

Can't remember his name, but the blinde swordsman that malekith did a number on, mannaged to do a sflesh wound on Malekith, and stand on equall ground with Shadowblade. That said, arn't the two main HE heros above and beyond even his great skill? I think the Witch Kinhg has tried a number of times.

Post by **Drainial** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:14 pm

That was Eltharion.

Fingol darkwater · Post by **Fingol darkwater** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:50 pm

Yup, but GW may or may not have scrapped that story arc given Eltharion's current incarantion in the HE army book.

Ruthlessdruchii · Post by **Ruthlessdruchii** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:32 pm

i personally think that Malekith first of all stribes to rules the lands of his father, nagarythe, and destroy what ever may be left of ulthuan... why would he gather an army of dragons when not usinng ther full power on the white cities?? i think he will recover the sword of khaine and adress himself as the rightfull ruler of ulthuan, and all elven kind (but i think he've allready done that, eccept for the fact that he needs the sword of Khaine).

but regarding the assassins of Nagaroth, i don't think the are able to sneek into the wery white cities og Ulthuan, the wery birth-place of all elven-magic... these cities (i think) will be too much filled with light magic of the HE that the masters of poison themselves would be countered right away... the only option Lord Malekith has is to simply break the faith of his elven kind, and let chaos take care of the other allies....

Post by **Drainial** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:41 pm

I doubt it, there have been and are many murdurs by Druchii of Asur in Ulthaun, at one point we had an extreemly large spy network and we probobly still do though it was cut a but short by the sword masters of Hoeth. I think you overestimate the power of the High elves.

Ruthlessdruchii · Post by **Ruthlessdruchii** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:47 pm

i might be my friend... i just forgot that their stil may be cults of slanesh or Khaine in Ulthuan... but it still somehow is unclear for me, why they haven't killed the two of them by now?? do the assassins of nagaroth have limitations?? or do Malekith just want to torture them to their painfull death??

and another question... with Nagaroth's Black Arks (the socalled rulers of the seas) why haven't he just destoyed the whole fleet of Ulthuan, and surrounded the island?? because it iss actually said in the dark elf book thatt the Black Arks rule the seas...

Post by **Drainial** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:39 pm

That was exagerated a little by Furion, the Asur do have an extreemly powerful navey though they have nothing that can take on a black ark one on one. Prehaps we could defeat their fleet but it would be a titanic battle which we would not be certain of wining by any means and would leave our navey seriously depleted. But the real reason is that most of the Druchii vesseles are at any one time out raiding various places. And ofcourse the the assasins have limitations, they canot fly or turn invisible or pull the moon from the sky, they are incredibly skilled elves nothing more and nothing less. The realy reason that Tyron and Teclis still live is that GW say that they do, besides that would be a victory for any sort of evil force and of course that would never do.