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Shade
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Greetings, fellow Druchii.

I tried to find some topics discussing activity and influence of Tzeentchian Dark Elven cults in Naggaroth, but found nothing. Any one of you got any knowledge concerning this issue?

I'm makng a Tzeentch-themed Dark Elf army, and I'd like to know what units are suitable for the theme... I realise that nothing from temple of Khaine is acceptable (I mean Witch Elves and Cauldron of Blood and perhaps Assassin). But what else? Black Guard, Executioners?

Thanks in advance.


Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:58 am
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Just look at the Slaanesh list. A Tzeentch Manticore would be an interesting project. But not a dragon. CoK yes, DE Warriors, yes, corsairs, maybe. Dark Riders, Harpies, Shades, yes. Hydra - fine line between fluff and fairy floss. Your call.

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http://www.druchii.net/viewtopic.php?t=34243

See that. You're not the only one here who prefers Tzeentch over Slaanesh...


Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:30 am
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Slaanesh jst has more to do with the background of Dark Elves and MOrathi. Tzeentch on the other hand doesnt have any connection to DE fluff. However, I could see how he can be incorporated into it via the Sundering and the change among the Elves....... Also, that list on that link, that REALLY needs some work!


Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:15 pm
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One should consider however that Dark Elves can be very secretive, not to mention their taste for intrigue, politics, deals, double crossings, violent upheavals and changes, etc. Things that, if memory serves, Tzeentch favors very highly, and I could easily imagine a Highborn seeking Tzeentch's boon in order to stay two steps ahead of their opponents, whether it be in the realm of battle, politics, or intrigue.


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Exelent the ranks of Tzeentchs Druchii followers grows (as you may have surmised from that I have a Tzeentch theamed army myself).

I am afraid you will find little official on the issue. In the BL book Blood Money the bad guy in one section is a Druchii highborn worshiping Tzeench but he is in exile in the old world and so there is not much help there. Basicly any Druchii can work so long as you avoid cult units. After that its all in the modeling.

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Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:22 pm
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I guess it's plossable, but remember: Any male magic user in druchii society has a date with a buisness end of a Executioners Draich!

But given the perks of having the ultimate magic users on your side can be good!


Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:24 pm
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Thank you for the info. However I would like to know, would Manticore, Black Guard and Executioners be suitable for Tzeentch themed army?

Executioners - Har Ganeth - Khaine's Aspect of the Executioner?

Black Guard - personal guard of Malekith - Malekith encourages Khaine worshipping?

Manticore is considered as one of the aspects of Khaine, but any one got any info how true is this assumption?

Should I rather replace Melee infantry units with Hydra or Chariots?

Opinions?


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Executioners-No
Black Guard-No
Manticore-...Maybe

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Executioners and Black Guard are special orders much like the temple. You have to be recruited and they would be pretty exclusive in admitting people. Black Guard definetly not. Executioners maybe if you wrote up some good fluff about them being corrupted after being trained or something, but still a long shot.

Manticore would likely be fine for me though. Any of the cores would be fine. Its just units that represent members of an exculsive order that would have trouble.


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The Black Guard has not as much to do with worshipping Khaine as the Executioners do. The Black Guard is obsessed in protecting Malekith.

You could do Executioners, by making a Tzeentchian greatsword-wielding unit that only counts as executioners, but literally isn't one.


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Like I said its all in the modeling and in the force that you want to do. I love the models of black gaurd and if they ever got decent rules I might convert them a bit and paint them apropriatly and have them in my background as the temple gaurds. Still you do have to change them significantly and certainly Black gaurd would never be in the force of an overt chaos worshipor so you have to adapt the background of them and your force.

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Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:23 pm
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You can take what you want if you take time to think a bit after all executioners could represent any elite great weapon wielding unit just come up with your own background

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you could use the chaos with druchii like a Cult of Slaanesh list but with tzeentch insted.
I think corsairs would work with tzeentch because they are for hire and DR and warriors: yes
executioners no
BG: no they protect Malekith and not fighting for a tzeentch following general you could make them as betrayals or something but no


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Not as Black gaurd or executioners but like I said you simply have to change them a bit if you realy want them in your force.

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Wow, thanks, everyone. Really great ideas and opinions! I'll post my possible changes to my army blog.


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I think the force would focus more heavily on daemons and other things from the chaos list than the Cult of Slaanesh. A worshiper of Tzeentch would be far less popular in the Naggaroth underground than a Slaaneshi. At least Slaanesh cultists can get around Druchii society without being noticed, a Tzeentch worshiper is going to stick out like a sore thumb due to the whole magic thing. Few Druchii would want to attach themselves to a venture that risky.

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Mantis would be ok, as well as hydras, because they are both creatures of Chaos.

Fluff wise, Generals only reseive black guard IF they are on Malekith's good graces. BUT, if you do anything that would piss them off, you are dead!

As far as executioners go...Hell, their normal DE, bribe em with gold, slaves, and a fresh asur that needs their neck severed!


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If you wish to play Tzeentch druchii army by the rules ( official army painted in Tzeentch colors and symbols ) than its quitesimple:
1. core - whatever
2. special- harpies ( nothing to do with Khaine actually ), CoK, Chariots, Shades¨
3.rare- war hydra, bolt throwers, DOGS OF WAR ( Chaos=best )
4.heroes+lords= as many high sorceresses and sorceresses as you can according to the size of army

( Black dragons+Manticores again nothing to do with Khaine, just beasts )


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