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Darkmark wrote:Sorry, for my Chicken Little moment yesterday.

I still don't know what to make of these rumours tbh. I do know that GW will have to reply in some way, surely, against their usual manner. These rumours certainly will send shock waves around all players and collectors.

Let's wait and see if GW cut off their nose to spite their face. Under estimating how emotionally invested people are in their army could be a fatal mistake IMO.

Amboadine wrote:I am just going to post a summary of what has been posted on Faeit 212. Not one of the most reliable sources, but does bulk out some of the rumours.

via a very solid source on Faeit 212
Let me give you some confirmation:
The setting is being completely overhauled - true.
The concept of a huge chunks of the world in a sea similar to the warp from 40k - true.
Faction reduction to 6 - true


As for how it interacts with the current rules.
9th edition takes place after the sundering that brought about from the End Times.

So for the purposes of compatibility, you can use your 8th edition hardback book, representing a section of the culture that hasn't been horrifically changed by the End Times (Recognizing it will have the same drawbacks of using a dated book that are experienced elsewhere).

You can use End Times rules/concepts, representing a section that is still being torn apart.

You can use the new, post-end times rules to represent what is "current."


All the books (again, with the caveat that older books may not be optimal for the new core rules [but truthfully the core rules aren't changing wildly, like 5th to 6th edition 40k, really more of a tidied up 8th edition with a brand new setting]) are designed to be compatible.

Support will be towards the new book, new setting, however, with End Times being in the past. Viable, but not current.

Expect armies to have fewer units in their core books, which will be heavily focused on the fluff for where they are now, what they've been doing in the centuries immediately following the sundering. This will create a more "balanced" pool as they will be rapidly produced and released (consider a scale even somewhat faster than what we've had for 40k these past few years).


These will then be expanded on with supplements, not intended as money-grabs (as I am sure they will be received by the majority of your readers), but more as guided hands to acknowledge deficiencies in books, or even "global meta" changes. The first time that Games Workshop will be openly acknowledging things that need changes.

These units will typically get white dwarf rules treatments heralding the release in hardback of all of the new units from the previous month(s), for a new setting expansion, which will pit several of the races together (representing a collision).

As these expansions are not permanent in the world, so too will these models not be. They are intended to only get one template injection mold life-run, the same as the books will be printed only once in hardback, then delayed paperback.

They will of course remain legal throughout all of 9th, they will just be more limited eventually, the same as the end time models will not be available forever, the same as XYZ model is no longer available (just with a shorter life span than previous experienced). I mean... you can't get albion models anymore either, but that campaign was before people whined on the internet, so I guess that's why no one's complaining.

This will allow for more new models, as contrary to common belief, the storage and rejuvenation of these templates takes a lot of resources which can be instead dedicated to new ones.


On the topic of round bases. The latest version I saw used round bases, but units had the option of ranking up to receive the typical bonuses. To rank up using round bases, it is intended to use new movement trays which have circular cuts to hold the bases of the appropriate size.

Nothing stops you from (and in many ways you are encouraged to) maintain unit formation the entire game. But you don't have to. Note that throughout all of Warhammer Fantasy, changing width/depth was an option, it's just rarely seen.

So to summarize - you can skirmish, but it's in your interests to rank up for different reasons, like shield walling before a charge for instance. You can alternatively always hold a formation and move the way we're all used to.

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This will be a very big change. It is not because GW doesn't care about its old players and just wants to attract new ones. It is not to fill a void that will come from the fading of Lord of the Rings (which will remain in stores and be supported for a long time due to the agreement with New Line Cinemas).

It is just a very fresh look at a game that hasn't changed dramatically in how it's played since the dawn of the game and company. It will give everyone the opportunity and hopefully inspiration to do something new, but without invalidating everything from the past. It is opening room for creativity, not closing doors.


Yes, army books will eventually feel too out of date to play, but that's the same with any new edition. And new Army Books will typically allow people to recreate what they're "used to" it just might not be the most effective thing they could do with their new book.

The new faction are basically the opposite of warriors of chaos, but good the way chaos marines are the opposite of space marines but evil (in terms of broad tropes, I really hope this doesn't spawn some kind of debate about the morality of space marines).

Lastly, nothing stops you from just playing 8th, and ignoring 9th the same way some people ignore End Times. Just understand that unlike Storm of Chaos which was post-production looked at as an "alternate timeline" where the clock was turned back to right before it took place for the purposes of the setting, the End Times are real, and 9th will begin where it left off.

flatworldsedge wrote:For many of us you look at that article, and through a haze of nostalgia you briefly touch your childhood... I get this rush of snapshots, remember agonising over whether to buy the shield upgrade for this unit or that, picture the stoically drafted army list in the back of a chemistry exercise book with the paper smudged and worn thin where a proposed champion oscillated between lv10 and lv15 in my deliberations, remember the smell of the lead and grey foam opening my first blister pack having queued outside the new Hammersmith GW store to take advantage of the 3 for 2 opening weekend deal after badgering my parents to drive half way into London with a dog eared token from White Dwarf, staying late in deserted classrooms to wage war on dark vinyl desktops with the chairs piled in the corner and everything dragged together, the drone of vacuums drifting by as weary cleaning staff stalked the corridors, and the vast tactile wash of a million memories...

Gidean wrote:.... I won't buy another new model until 9th is released. My wife will be happy....

T.D. wrote:

flatworldsedge wrote:For many of us you look at that article, and through a haze of nostalgia you briefly touch your childhood... I get this rush of snapshots, remember agonising over whether to buy the shield upgrade for this unit or that, picture the stoically drafted army list in the back of a chemistry exercise book with the paper smudged and worn thin where a proposed champion oscillated between lv10 and lv15 in my deliberations, remember the smell of the lead and grey foam opening my first blister pack having queued outside the new Hammersmith GW store to take advantage of the 3 for 2 opening weekend deal after badgering my parents to drive half way into London with a dog eared token from White Dwarf, staying late in deserted classrooms to wage war on dark vinyl desktops with the chairs piled in the corner and everything dragged together, the drone of vacuums drifting by as weary cleaning staff stalked the corridors, and the vast tactile wash of a million memories...

That article gets me in the feels too

Amboadine wrote:... I really do not believe that they will care one iota, blindly confident in the fact that they will attract a new younger player base with the new edition regardless of the fact that they do not advertise and would have potentially disassociated themselves with the main source of their player recruitemnt avenue, word of mouth, by alienating the veterans of the last or multiple editions.

flatworldsedge wrote:Yeah - you don't use the word "otiose" in your annual report (when describing the need for customer research) unless you are really keen to revel, to wallow in the fact that you don't care what people think.

Amboadine wrote:


A proportion of their customer base is now refusing to purchase anything further until there is some clarity on the future. I have lived through units becoming obsolete before (Zoats / Beastmasters / Storm of Chaos units, I am looking at you) and although it is not a great feeling, you get over it and move on and find a use for them as proxies or fillers. There is a massive difference however in ones entire army becoming obsolete.

All it would take is a statement reassuring players that they are not invalidating armies, bases are remaining square, and although they are taking the game in a new direction there is still room for those of us who enjoy mass ranks, rather than skirmishes. But I really do not believe that they will care one iota, blindly confident in the fact that they will attract a new younger player base with the new edition regardless of the fact that they do not advertise and would have potentially disassociated themselves with the main source of their player recruitemnt avenue, word of mouth, by alienating the veterans of the last or multiple editions.

via a very solid source on Faeit 212
Let me give you some confirmation:...

r530 wrote:This 'source' seems surprisingly coherent, they are certainly trying to defend what's coming.

Calisson wrote:

via a very solid source on Faeit 212
Let me give you some confirmation:...

r530 wrote:This 'source' seems surprisingly coherent, they are certainly trying to defend what's coming.

I have the same feeling that is it coherent.
And coherent with GIANT 40k/WFB Rumordump

Calisson wrote:- High consistency in closing the gap with WH40k, both in rules and in fluff. Like it or not, it is good to help gamers to swap from one to the other.