Starting fresh..Valekekh's Vendetta 2250pts List HELP!!!

Seanzala · Post by **Seanzala** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:02 am

"I hereby vow that I will be the one responsible for the death of Melekh the Betrayer. I will not rest or return to Har Ganeth until it is done. In Khaine I believe, in Malekith I serve."

These were the words that sealed Valekekh's. He knew it was his duty. Not just to Malekith but to his family. Since his brothers betrayal, all respect had been drained from his families name. He hoped to restore that respect. With that, he mustered what troops he could and set off in search of his traitorous brother.

Hey Guys,

I am planning on starting fresh with my Druchii. My original army under the command of Melekh the Betrayer has grown to a reasonable size. Now I plan on making his brothers army. This thread will include everything about the army; lists, fluff, battle reports and possibly even some pics. I plan on building this to 2250pts by this time next year for DogCon, a tournament held in Sydney every January. Anyway, without any further ado, the starting 1000pt list.

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Valekekh's Vendetta

Lord Valekekh
Seal of Ghrond
Great Weapon
HA, SDC,Shi 111pts

(The plan is for Valekekh to grow in stature with the army)

16x Warriors
Shields
Full Command 153pts

16x Warriors
Shields
Full Command 153pts

12x Warriors
Shields
Standard, Muso
Repeater Crossbows 159pts

(These will form the backbone of my army. Crossbowmen will have two roles, shooting and close combat support)

5x Dark Riders
Muso
Repeater Crossbows 127pts

5x Dark Riders
Muso
Repeater Crossbows 127pts

Cold One Chariot
Spears 97pts (Noble in here)

5x Shades 70pts

(The fast attack of the army. Mage/warmachine hunters, march blocking, flanking etc)

TOTAL 997pts

DD: 3
Models: 61
Deployment Slots: 7+ Scouts

I know it is 3pts over. This will not be used at any tournaments and in friendly matches we allow 5pts over.

EDIT: Here is a link to the War Diaries of Valekekh during this campaign:

http://www.druchii.net/viewtopic.php?t=40993

Make sure you read the thing at the top before posting there.

Thats it for now. All comments welcomed

Sean

Seanzala · Post by **Seanzala** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:35 am

Here is a pic of one model from each army.

New army:
http://photobucket.com/albums/a334/sean ... CF0464.jpg

Old Army:
http://photobucket.com/albums/a334/sean ... CF0465.jpg

I understand that the photos aren't the best.

Despite being from the same family, there is a reason why they fight under different colours. Long ago, before Melekh's betrayal, theirs was a powerful family. When Velekekh's father died, Melekh, the Older brother, took command of his army. Their mother, a High Sorceress, had her own troops. Velekekh now leads these troops to battle. That way, in big games I can use both armies and say this was fought before the betrayal. The army would include two highborns (Melekh and Velekekh), a High Sorceress (their mother) and two sorceresses (their sister who fights with Velekekh and Arilla, melekhs wife)

More fluff will follow later
All comments appreciated on fluff, list and painting

Sean

Seanzala · Post by **Seanzala** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:56 am

Come on guys, you must have at least something to say...

I know you've been reading it, just no one is posting...

Jamesfazzolari · Post by **Jamesfazzolari** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:31 am

For a 1000point army it does not have much hitting power IMO.

If you swap the draich for a GW, make both spear units 20 strong, drop the RxBs down to 12, then take out all their command except musician, you will have an extra 80ish points to spend.

also, at 1000points, a level 1 scroll caddy sorta sucks. you may as well drop her and give the noble the seal and blood armour, this saves you another 80 odd points, and you only lose a scroll.

with the points you now have, you can up the RxB unit to 16 AND get an extra DR unit...which rounds your shooting out nicely and gives you some good units to play with.

best wishes, james fazzolari

Seanzala · Post by **Seanzala** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:58 pm

Ok, know that I look at the list again I can see that you are very right. I've edited the list but have 36 points left over. With this I was thinking of getting either 3 more Crossbowmen or some more shades or something like that but I'm not sure. What would you guys spend the points on?

Thanks in anticipation

Sean

Beastmaster kurlan · Post by **Beastmaster kurlan** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:01 pm

i would buy the extra crossbows sean as the ycan make all the difference

Narathiel · Post by **Narathiel** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:14 pm

I also think there is not enough punch in the list.
IMHO you should drop the second unit of 20 spears.
Now get two chariots (after loosing xbow for one DR unit)
that gives the list more to do.
otherwise nice.

cheers
nathy

Jamesfazzolari · Post by **Jamesfazzolari** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:00 pm

Sean, you could drop both warrior units to 16 (which is not a bad number at 1000 points anyway) and pick up a chariot as suggested - this adds considerable punch to your infantry line AND will not make you reliant on his damage output anyway, and one stupidity test at Ld9 is not too much to ask

james fazzolari

Seanzala · Post by **Seanzala** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:48 am

Yeah, I think a chariot would probably be the way to go. I've been having some luck with stupidity lately, haven't failed in a couple of games. That said, i'm probably going to fail every one next game...

Jamesfazzolari · Post by **Jamesfazzolari** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:39 am

seanzala wrote:Yeah, I think a chariot would probably be the way to go. I've been having some luck with stupidity lately, haven't failed in a couple of games. That said, i'm probably going to fail every one next game...

well you know my 4 chariot list? I failed 11 tests in one game once on Ld9...needless to say i got HAMMERED! stupidity sucks

james fazzolari

Seanzala · Post by **Seanzala** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:21 pm

Yes, I know. I have failed every turn once with a unit of knights, but thats about it.

Anyway, what do you think of the list now. Anymore tweaking to be done?

Sean

Jamesfazzolari · Post by **Jamesfazzolari** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:52 am

Sean - looks much nicer now mate. Sadly, your 1000 point army is as lare as my 2000point army...bugger. You have some nice melee, some good flankers and A LOT of RxB shots, so it should all work out well.

best wishes.

james fazzolari

Beastmaster kurlan · Post by **Beastmaster kurlan** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:56 am

well the only tweak i would make is to get an rbt in there as in smaller games it always earns its points back, they also provide a decent cover fire for your combat troops, to find the points i would bump one unit of warriors up to 20 and lose the other unit, if you like the other colse combat unit then fine but i would go for the rbt. hope this helps

Seanzala · Post by **Seanzala** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:09 am

Thanks guys, when this 1000pt army nears completion, I will up it to 1500pts. Between now and then, I will be hopefully be adding some battle reports and pictures.

Sean

Seanzala · Post by **Seanzala** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:38 am

Hey Guys,

I have finally finished converting my first noble for this list. Pics are below. I know that they are a tad dark but its the best I could do.

Front

http://photobucket.com/albums/a334/sean ... CF0496.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/a334/sean ... CF0491.jpg

Cloak

http://photobucket.com/albums/a334/sean ... CF0492.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/a334/sean ... CF0493.jpg

I'm not completely happy with the cloak myself.

Anyway, all comments appreciated

Sean

Jamesfazzolari · Post by **Jamesfazzolari** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:34 am

I like it a lot mate.

On the cloak - i feel the gaps between each "scale" are too large, if you look at the corsair models they are not as dispersed, and i think that is a minor problem.

I really like the sword - what model is it from?

jfazz.

Mornedhel · Post by **Mornedhel** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:25 am

I like both your noble conversion and the new paint scheme.
The only point of criticism is the cloak, as I think the scales are way too round. Try flattening them with a modelling tool, or even with your fingertip, as in this case, fingerprints might even look like a fitting texture there.

Cat-the-odd · Post by **Cat-the-odd** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:41 am

On the painting stuff:
(I looked on the "new" rxb-guy)

One can see that you are usinf black primer spray. It's never good to see that, I think. Try to cover te painted parts with two or more thin layers of color. This is essential that your model doesn't look dirty painted. I'd also suggest to do at least some shading, i.e. black inking of the Armour parts and the Metal stuff and some highlighting on the other parts would be nice, too. A nice trick is to devide diferent colors on the model by black lines making the model more comic-like, but the result is it worth, I think.

I could never understand why people paint their models below "tabletop-standard". It is less fun to play, less working on a hobby and the dice rolls are worse.

Seanzala · Post by **Seanzala** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:44 am

Thanks guys,

I agree with the cloak, that is why I'm not too happy with it. Anyway, I have begun painting the it now. I will try to fix the cloak later, but I couldn't resist starting. It is the first proper model of this new army (the crossbowman was an old model repainted as a test scheme).

BTW, the sword is malus darkblades.

Sean

Seanzala · Post by **Seanzala** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:26 am

Ok, I am painting the Noble and he is looking good. No pics at the moment, I'll post some when he's finished. I also redid the cloak and it looks a lot better.

Now, the main reason for this post is not painting. As this is being built for a tournament, I thought I should probably just have a 2250pt list being tweaked and adjusted so I know what to build, rather than 1000, 1500 etc. The problem is, I don't know where to start. That is where you guys can help. What I want is:

Preferably two Manti's (HB & BM) but at least one.
One sorceress at least, probably just a caddy.
Two Dark Rider units
Some solid infantry (Warriors mainly, no Corsairs)
Executioners would work fluffwise
Bolt Throwers
Chariot/s

I was wondering if you guys could help put together a strong list that remains in theme for me. Remember that this army is from a Har Ganethian Noble so some units such as Corsairs aren't likely to be found in an army like that.

Thanks in anticipation

Sean

Jamesfazzolari · Post by **Jamesfazzolari** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:32 pm

Alright, here goes:

Highborn; General, lance, HA, SDC, Enchanted Shield, Seal of Ghrond, Manticore - 371

Beast Master; lance, SDC, Blood Armour, Manticore - 260

Sorceress; two scrolls - 140

20 Warriors; shields, full command - 185
20 Warriors; shields, full command - 185
12 Warriors; shields, RxBs, musician - 149
12 Warriors; shields, RxBs, musician - 149
5 Dark Riders; musician - 97
5 Dark Riders; musician - 97

10 Executioners - 110
10 Executioners - 110
Cold One Chariot; spears - 97
Cold One Chariot; spears - 97

2 Bolt Throwers - 200

GRAND TOTAL 2247

106 models.

that gives you two mantis, lots of S5 across the army (mantis, chariots, execs), some static CR (two fully ranked warrior units), a reasonable amount of shooting, and lot and lots of bodies.

best whishes.

jfazz.

Seanzala · Post by **Seanzala** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:10 am

Well, based on that and some other advice I have been given I have come up with a trial list. Here it is:

Highborn w/
Lance
Heavy Armour
Sea Dragon Cloak
Enchanted Shield
Seal of Ghrond
Manticore 371pts

Beastmaster w/
Lance,
Sea Dragon Cloak
Light Armour
Manticore 242pts

Sorceress w/
2x Dispel Scrolls 140pts

20x Warriors w/
Shields
Full Command 185pts

20x Warriors
Shields
Full Command 185pts

12x Warriors w/
Shileds
Repeater Crossbows
Musician 149pts

12x Warriors w/
Shileds
Repeater Crossbows
Musician 149pts

5x Dark Riders w/
Musician
Repeater Crossbows 127pts

5x Dark Riders w/
Musician
Repeater Crossbows 127pts

5x Harpies 65pts

10x Executioners 110pts

Cold One Chariot w/
Spears 97pts

Cold One Chariot w/
Spears 97pts

2x Reaper Bolt Throwers 200pts

Total: 2244pts

What do you think?

Sean

Jamesfazzolari · Post by **Jamesfazzolari** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:18 am

Yeah I really like that a lot seanzala, it should work really well.

Just remember, play the beastmaster on manti like he cant fight (because he cant) and you will never have any problems.

jfazz.

Seanzala · Post by **Seanzala** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:30 am

Thanks man.

The main role of the beastmaster is going to be supporting other units in the flank to negate ranks.

Anyway, any other tweaks to make the list a tad better?

Sean

Seanzala · Post by **Seanzala** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:50 am

Well, I know it's been a while since i've updated here.

I have acquired 6 new shades and was wondering if you guys can see any way of fitting them into the most recently updated list. I still want to keep the manticores, chariots, exes & preferably bolt throwers in there, and I don't want to completely rearrange the core of the army.

Thanks

Sean