Dark Rider Heralds in 7th
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- Mr_styrofoam
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Dark Rider Heralds in 7th
Now that overall DRs are cheaper, and the herald has been boosted to 2 attacks and BS 5, how many of you guys will be including both a herald and musician in your units? I think the total points cost comes to 131, or something else only about 4 or 5 points above what they used to cost (assuming you take RXBs). I think these guys are definitely viable now.
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no herald but I'm considering including crossbows now (yes, I was running 5 dark riders without them and they did fine ) since they are cheaper *and* better.
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- Mordru
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I ran them with and without crossbows in 6th and will do the same this time around. For the price of a herald can't you almost get another DR? I you are using them to babysit a sorceress then maybe the herald is worth the investment.
In any case, heralds are definitely better now. It used to hack me off to no end when my naked DRs "upgrade" to the herald option only included BS5.
In any case, heralds are definitely better now. It used to hack me off to no end when my naked DRs "upgrade" to the herald option only included BS5.
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BS5 is nice, but if you're looking at it as almost being able to get another DR for the same points, you would be better off taking that additional DR IMO. The attack you would be forgoing by not including that additional dark rider would be made up by the herald, however (assuming RxB's) the 2 shots at BS5 would math-hammer-matically yield 1.6 hits on average, in comparison to 2 DR's shooting with a BS of 4, yielding 2.6 hits. The only time his additional BS would be helpful is if you moved and were shooting at a skirmishing unit at long range, but then at that point, you would be better off marching rather than going 9" and trying to kill anything with 2 RxB shots at 6+'s to hit...
Also, let's not forget that, when it comes to fast cav, 5 strong vs. 6 strong makes a HUGE difference. 6 means you can take 1 additional casualty by shooting and still not have to take a panic test. Very nice.
I won't be taking a herald.
Also, let's not forget that, when it comes to fast cav, 5 strong vs. 6 strong makes a HUGE difference. 6 means you can take 1 additional casualty by shooting and still not have to take a panic test. Very nice.
I won't be taking a herald.
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The upgrade costs a little less than 2/3 of what a dark rider costs, shoots better, has more attacks and can issue and accept challenges. And has more attacks on a frontage.
And 6 panics just as easily as 5. It's 5 that doesn't panic as easily as 4.
As for shooting efficiency....how often is a dark rider unit not moving? Assuming you've moved and are using multishot....
Herald does 1 hit, 2 dark riders do 1.333 hits. Almost spot on for the points you pay.
Saedron....your math on the shooting is way off since at best, multishooting RxB hit on 4's with typical dark riders (3 for the herald). If you move, they hit on 5's (4's for herald). If you moved and were shooting at long range at skirmishers, the herald would hit on 6's, and the 2 DR would hit on 7's.
And 6 panics just as easily as 5. It's 5 that doesn't panic as easily as 4.
As for shooting efficiency....how often is a dark rider unit not moving? Assuming you've moved and are using multishot....
Herald does 1 hit, 2 dark riders do 1.333 hits. Almost spot on for the points you pay.
Saedron....your math on the shooting is way off since at best, multishooting RxB hit on 4's with typical dark riders (3 for the herald). If you move, they hit on 5's (4's for herald). If you moved and were shooting at long range at skirmishers, the herald would hit on 6's, and the 2 DR would hit on 7's.