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Tips and tricks to use harpies effectively *Update 12/7 2012 
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Hello everyone.
I stumbled upon this post in the High Elf forum on how to use Giant Eagles effectively. We can transfer the tactics directly to our beloved harpies.

The post was written by Collinisimo.

My initial thought was to transform the post into a druchii/harpies specific post.
But decided against it to maximize the reference and credits to the creators.

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Updated 12/07 - 2012 New tricks added.
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Due to requests on my Gaming Blog forum, I have decided to throw together an Eagle Tactica. In my list (see sig), I take a grand total of 4 GEs, and after the success I have had with them in 8th Ed., I doubt I will take any less at this point. They have almost been the stars of my team, even though I don't think a single one has lived all the way through a game of mine. Therefor, I would love to share some wisdom with everyone here on Ulthuan regarding Great Eagles.

The following are five different tricks I have picked up in my 8th Ed. games. If anyone else has any eagle tricks, please post them, as I am sure that these are only a few of the many wonderful different things you can do with eagles.

The most recent additions are added in blue. I will be adding in tricks thought up by other people, and adding their name to the contribution list, which is listed below. So far we are up to 9 eagle tricks. Hopefully this will continue to grow with Ulthuan's wisdom!

Collinisimo
wamphyri101
geoguswrek
Ptolemy
Xarhain
tethlis the slayer
krysith
Mithstar
Th3_5had0w_K1ng
Furion

All Battle Chronicler images have been made by Th3_5had0w_K1ng. Thanks!

Trick #1, 'The Classic' War Machine Hunting

I thought that we may as well start off with a classic trick that I am sure everyone is familiar with. And that is warmachine hunting. Through my experience, most of all of my opponents warmachine crew have been s3 and ws2. That means that when you charge that warmachine with your eagle on turn two, which is almost inevitable, your opponents will be hitting you on 5s, and wounding you on 5s. Therefor, they only have 1/3 chance of doing a single wound to you. You, however, will be hitting on 3s, and wounding on 3s as well, so you should be getting 1.5555 wounds on your opponent (including your eagles stomp attack). That means you will be winning combat mostly every time. 1 from the charge, and 1-2 for wounds. From my experience, warmachines have low leadership, and will usually break even when beaten by 2-3 points.

A tip I would like to point out to everyone, is that your opponent will like sticking more than one warmachine together, usually on a hill. This means that if in your first turn, you move your eagle up on his flank and within charging distance of one warmachine, you can usually charge the closest one, beat it and run it down, while at the same time overrunning into his second warmachine, successfully taking out 100-200 points with your single 50 point eagle. Also, if you get this kind of charge off in your second turn, then you only are giving your opponents warmachines 1-2 turns to shoot, depending on who goes first.

Trick #2, 'Wizard Assassination'

Here is another classic that most of you must already know as well. Don't worry old experienced players, we'll get into some more complex tricks later, but this is for those of you who are relatively new and still need to learn the old tricks. Anyways, what you do here usually takes 2 or more eagles, but the pay off is well worth it. What you do is you charge in an eagle to the front of an opponents unit that is holding their oh-so-powerful-mage. Then, you direct all of the eagles attacks at your opponents mage. Because mages are generally fragile and do not have much protection, you should be getting 1.55555 wounds (stomp included). You're eagle will then surely be killed afterward. However, in your next turn you do the same thing, charge in with a second eagle. With two onslaughts of this, you should be averaging 3 wounds on their mage, and this is usually enough to kill it. And trust me, 100 points is well worth the points for your opponents mage, and stopping their magic relatively early in the game.

Trick #3, 'The Run-Down'

Now here is where things get interesting. This is the one trick that my opponents question/hate the most (other than Trick #5..). Let me set the scene for you:
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As you can see in this scenario, your two blocks of PG have just charged your opponents two enemy units. Your GE flies up to the right. You also notice the size and threat of the two enemy units that you just charged. You look at the larger enemy unit to the left. You realize that you have a good chance of tying/holding against that large unit with your PG, but you do not think you can beat it alone. You also look at your opponents smaller unit on the right. You think you can definitely beat that unit alone with your PG unit, but it may take two rounds of combat. Because you were smart and looked ahead, you moved your eagle to the right of the combats, and the reason why will become clear soon.

So the battle goes on. You turn out to be right, neither units go anywhere on your combat phase. Then it goes over to your opponents combat phase. Because you have numbers on the smaller enemy unit now, you break it and it flees. However, you decide not to chase after it with your PG unit. You instead reform looking to get a flank charge against your opponents larger unit, and you let the smaller unit get away, because you know that you need the help in the other combat.

So it is the beginning of you're turn now, and the scene looks like this:
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So what do you do? You declare two charges. The first is your PG unit into the flank of the large enemy unit. The second, however, is your GE into their fleeing small enemy unit. You know that if that enemy unit rallies, you will have then gotten no points for it because of the new rules, so you chase it down with your eagle. You charge with your eagle and get the average of 19" charge range. Because they were only approximately 7" away from your eagle, there is close to no way they can flee far enough (and they have to flee, as they were already doing so) from your eagle, so once again that little 50 point model has made up for its points three fold or more, and allowed you to turn the tables on the other larger enemy unit.
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Trick #3.2, 'Chasing Away', special thanks to Ptolemy

Here is another similar thing you can do, that helps you clear those smaller units on the board and gain you a few extra points in the game. When you charge a unit, and you know that they are going to flee, then you can charge them once again with an eagle. That way, they are forced to flee once again, either to be caught by your eagle, or run off the board. If neither of those things happen, then it is well worth moving that unit another 2d6" away from the action. Remember, your eagle only has to be within 22" of that unit to be able to declare the charge.

Trick #4, 'The Speed Bump'

This is a simple trick, but I find that it works rather well in slowing your opponents down to give you more time to shoot/magic their big combat units to give you a combat edge when they get to you. Pretty much all you are doing is flying your eagle up to their big units, then angling the eagle so that if the eagle is charged next turn, the big combat unit will overrun in a direction they do not want to go, or they can not charge and reform to get out of the way of your eagle, which you will then just move back and do it again, or they can charge, kill your eagle, and then not overrun, and move a total of one inch in their turn, instead of their typical 8-10" advancement on your line.

Trick #4.2, 'The Double Block', special thanks to geoguswrek!

This is very similar to 'The Speed Bump', however you would use it when it is not guaranteed that you're eagle would hold, ie. your opponent causes Terror. In this trick, you put two eagles blocking your opponents unit, and when he declares a charge against the first, you flee, but then he can only redirect into your other eagle. You flee a second time with the other eagle, and because each unit can only redirect one time in each turn (see page 18), your opponent is then forced to go after the second eagle. If you set it up right, this can lead your opponent into a bad position, sometimes setting you up for a flank charge.

Trick #4.2.1, 'The Double Block'

In this variation of the double block, instead of fleeing with both eagles, sometimes it can be advantagious to hold with the first eagle. Then, when your opponent overruns, he will hit the second eagle, and be stuck there for he cannot fight in combat that turn. However, be watch out for your opponent using Trick #5 on your to try and get through the second eagle as well.

Trick #5, 'The Place Holder'

This may just be my favorite trick of all to use in a game, because it catches your opponent off guard, and can help you get out of very tricky situations. Some of you may already know this trick from reading my past BatReps, and if so, kudos to you for reading my BatReps! Anyways, here is a situation where this trick could be applied:

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As you can see, your opponent has put a weak unit right in front of your PG unit, in hopes that you will charge it, beat it, and run it down. If you did this, then you would run into his second smaller unit. However, in doing so, you will have fallen into his trap, as he will then be able to flank you with his larger, more formidable unit. So what do you do? You declare two charges. Your eagle is conveniently placed on your right flank, so you charge the small unit right in front of your PG with your PG, then you charge the small unit behind that with the eagle. In doing so, you then proceed to beat that unit and chase it down with your PG, running into the small unit behind it. However, because you flanked that unit with your Eagle, you can then fight another round of combat in the same combat! You then can beat and run down that second unit with your PG, and in doing so get out of harms way from the flank charge.

Trick #6, 'Placement Stalling', special thanks to wamphyri101!

I believe that the placement of units at the beginning of the game is the one largest thing that will make or break the result of any game. Great Eagles, believe it or not, can give you quite the edge with this, and here is how. The very first thing you place down at the beginning of the game is your eagles. The more eagles you have, the more units your opponent will have to place down for you to see before you start putting down actual units. This way, you can 'pick your fights', so to speak, and place your units the way you want them in relation to your opponents units. I typically try to put my GEs on the flanks to begin with, because with their 20" movement they can get were they are needed relatively easily.

Trick #7, 'Combat Res Generator', special thanks to Xarhain!

Xarhain wrote:
One more basic tactic is the combat res generator. Often you'll have flown behind enemy lines to attack a war machine or attempt any number of the tricks listed above, but for some reason the eagle is no longer required. Maybe the cannon blew itself up or the unit you were stalling got purple sunned. Either way, you now have a free eagle you can charge into the back of a stalling combat. With the new lack of unit strength you get +1CR for charging and +2CR for the rear charge. You'll do a wound against standard infantry and maybe take one back. Instant +3CR, and a speedy unit involved in the combat to chase them down once they break!

Trick #7.2, 'Reform Prevention', special thanks to tethlis the slayer!

Not only does charging an eagle into an already existing combat grant you extra combat resolution, but it can also give you much more in certain situations! Now that in 8th Ed, you can take a combat reform even if you lost the combat. Luckily for us, there is a quick and easy way to get around this, and keep your flank bonus. So say you have a flank an a relatively large unit, and you don't think you are going to win by much this next turn, so you want to keep that flank. All you need to do, is charge an eagle into a different flank. That way, because the opponent is engaged in more than one frontage, they cannot take a combat reform!

Trick #8, 'Helping Avoid Standing and Shooting', special thanks to krysith!

So we all know that Great Eagles can take down a small unit of skirmishing archers/skinks in combat. Or even holding up a large unit of archers/crossbowmen for a turn or two so they can't shoot for a bit. The only problem is getting them in combat. There are a couple of ways to do this. First, there is the simple flank charge, or charging from within 10", but sometimes this just isn't good enough, because we don't have enough time to set that up, or you are attempting to charge a skirmishing unit. So how can we charge in without getting shot to pieces from Stand and Shoot?

As krysith pointed out, one way to do this is charge the unit with the eagle from behind one of you're own units. Because of the tall nature of the Great Eagle models, they can typically see over our own infantry units. Therefor, they can charge over units because they can see over them, due to true line of sight. The benefits that come from this, is it becomes much more difficult to shoot at something when it gets a cover bonus. So, if you charge at a unit from behind one of you're own units, they will get a -1 penalty for standing and shooting, -1 for long range (usually), and -2 from hard cover. That adds up to a whopping -4 to shoot at them. This is a 7+ for elven archers, and 8+ for everything bs3, making the likelihood of you're eagle dying much less.

Trick #9, 'Mobile Impassable Terrain', special thanks to Mithstar!

Mithstar wrote:
Mobile “Impassable Terrain”: Because magic and war machine shooting has become so dangerous, more and more players are using scouts and skirmishers to try and neutralise the threat. Most scouts and skirmishers operate between the two armies. This creates quite a unique opportunity. If a group of scouts or skirmishers are in front of an important enemy close combat unit (basically any unit you can’t yet combat) or a unit containing the bsb, general, etc, charge it with a GE. Your GE should take no more than 1 wound (using cover) charging in. Combat should be close (±1 point difference, very important) and both units are stuck in combat. However, now you have a combat that can continue for ± 2 turns, slowing down the enemy unit behind it considerably. In the hands of a capable general this tactic (even though it's situational) can be used to outmanoeuvre the enemy to great effect.

This tactic has a very nice synergy with the Lore of Life.

I would however like to point out that this tactic has one flaw. If your opponent has anything that can charge into the combat between your GE and his unit, that can shorten the time where you can cause a road block, so make sure when setting this up your opponent has no way of charging your eagle so that he can just blow through it and continue on his merry way. Remember, the point of Eagles is to be as annoying as possible.

Trick #10, 'Basic Redirection', special thanks to Th3_5had0w_K1ng!

The following is taken from the "Redirecting?" thread.

Th3_5had0w_K1ng wrote:
I made a quick scenario in Battle Chronicler on a basic redirecting. I was an eagle hater until I learned how to use them. They really are invaluable and allow the Elves to control the flow of battle. Sorry this post seems long but it's worth reading if you want to learn how to use the eagles (plus it's mostly pictures!).

9 Irongut Ogre Deathstar VS 7 SM, 30 Spears, Eagle

Ogre Turn- move up cautiously to give the high elves a 10 inch charge on their turn.
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High Elf Turn - Freedom to move units closer without the danger of being charged by the Ironguts. Move eagle at an angle to where the ogres can't overrun into either unit.
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Ogre Turn - Lets say he decides to charge the eagle. Excellent.
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High Elves - Lets say due to either inexperience or Frenzy he overruns the dead eagle an average 7 inches. This gives us 2 charges on the flank and allows us to benefit from ranks of spears and killing power of swordmaster MSU.
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There are more aspects to redirecting but this is the basic premise. Hope this helps!

Trick #11, 'Safe Long Charges', special thanks to Furion

Furion wrote:
Guess I can share with you one of the protips

Safe long range charges
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Description: your White Lions are 15-17" away from enemy units. While charging at them would be glorious, your enemy has longer range than you. If you happened to fail, you would get charged by both of his units and then lose. What to do then? You have to plan one turn ahead. Position your eagle close to your unit, as per picture. In the following turn, declare a charge with your White Lions on enemy unit, make your opponent react and after all charges have been declared, roll for it. Now there are two options:
a) you rolled high and you are in! With a successful charge you can enter 1" within your unit and you go through.
b) you rolled not enough and you fail charge. With fail charge your unit can't enter <1" from other unit / impassable terrain. Therefore, your unit moves only a little bit (marked with a green line) With careful placement, it is possible that your unit won't even move at all!

That's it. Tell me if you like this short tactica

cheers
Furion

Overview:

I guess what I'm really trying to tell everybody is this: think ahead! If you can think ahead a couple of turns, you can set up these neat tricks, and avoid tricks that your opponent tries to set up against you. A lot of this comes from me being an avid chess player, because in chess it is all about thinking ahead. I use the same skills in warhammer, and so far I am doing pretty well.

Commentary is welcome and appreciated.


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Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:05 pm
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Yep, that is a decent collection.

Of course, this doesn't just apply to Great Eagles (or Harpies), but basically to all small and maneuverable units (Light Cavalry, Skirmishers, etc).

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Trick #1, Charging warmachines:
- (p.109) you don't clip, you just need to make contact.
- (p.20) when you charge, you move straight, make 1 wheel at any time (90° max), move straight, hit the same side that you were charging.
- (p.58, right column) the winner overruns by moving straight ahead 2D6. Apply rules like a pursuit.
- (p.58, left column) if the pursuing unit contacts an opponent, this is a charge.
In case there are two warmachines not far from each other, combine all these rules and charge the first one with a clever anticipated angle, in order to overrun into the second one.

Also, worth to noting (p.110) that 6 harpies can fight. Regardless of the harpies formation, all six will be considered in close contact.


Trick #7, CR generator.
The trouble is not to concede too many dead harpies, which would go against your goal. Especially true if you're charging a unit of fierce foes with good armour.
In that case, you may better put your harpies in a narrow formation, so that few of them are in contact.


Thanks for sharing!

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Trick 7.2 about reform prevention is a good one, I didn't think about that one.

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As Calison says, be careful about adapting everything to harpies. Remember they are squishier, and even when charging a flank or rear you are certain to lose a few.


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7.2 almost never works the way he describes it, though, because after the 1st round of combat you almost never have a flank, anymore, because combat reform has already taken place then.

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Talking about harpies,
as I mentioned in another thread:

The "Catch them all if you can" 2K list.

5 units of 5 DR, muso. 3 of them have a pennant.Covering the need for 3 units and 25% core requirement, covering the need for fortitude pts.
Peggy mounted Lvl1, Fire.Covering the need for the general, while remaining in line with the rest of the army.
24 units of 5 harpies, except one unit which has 7 harpies. Total 122 harpies.
2000 pts.
30 units to deploy. All of them move 18" and vanguard, or move 20" and fly and skirmish. 8)

Tactics:
The lvl1 illuminates the skies with her fireworks (cast all available dice, take whichever fireball power is going to work).
Some harpies provide a cover for the sorceress and the DR (especially the pennant ones).
Many harpies and all DRs hunt hopeless warmachines.
Some harpies suicide-charge in 3+2 formation, in order to kill sorcerers and BSB and possibly the general.
Other harpies combo-charge whoever is not stubborn. Their tactics is to cumulate their charge combat resolution. +4SCR should overcome easily any chariot, lincluding side and rear charges.

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Can the charge combat resolution be stacked in the one charge? I thought it was limited to 1 like a flank?

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You're right (p.59).
I'll edit.
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Ive touched on the subject of Harpies many times in this forum over the last few years last time in a topic about ''mammoth units''
http://www.druchii.net/viewtopic.php?p= ... dar#799179

The Harpies are incredibly versatile in regards to control but should never really be put into combat unless your certain they can make a sufficuent dent in the opponent foremost by preventing actions from opponents.
They are probably my alltime favorite unit together with dark riders and shades. But harpies does have the inherrent flaw that people look at the unit itself and ask the question ''what can it do?''
In reality if you flip it around and look from the opponents perspective and ask the question ''where do i NOT want to see harpies?'' you know exactly what to do with them.
really I would say for atleast 10 battles bring atleast 15 harpies in small 5man units and start experimenting.
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A tactic i plan to try with harpies is one that is to be used against lone characters. Harpies will work in combination with a PoK/SR Peggy Master. The Master will put itself 1" away from said target eg. Keeper of Secrets and harpies will fly to the rear of the Keeper. If Keeper charges the Peggy Master he hopefully holds and harpies rear charge next turn providing +3 CR and the Master challenges Keeper to protect harpies.


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One big advantage that harpies have over Great Eagles is that they don't cause a panic test in our other units when they are destroyed. This is one of the weaknesses that the use of multiple GE's has - lots of potential panic tests spread around their forces. Now admittedly with the abundance of BSB's and HE Ld chances aren't good - but if they roll enough dice some are bound to fail.


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concerning trick #5

p.58 the pursuing unit may fight a second round of combat BUT they cannot overrun and also must automatically restrain from any pursuit. Having said that, they may reform to face the large enemy unit which means that this trick is still very useful.

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Calisson wrote:
Trick #1, Charging warmachines:
- (p.109) you don't clip, you just need to make contact.
- (p.20) when you charge, you move straight, make 1 wheel at any time (90° max), move straight, hit the same side that you were charging.
- (p.58, right column) the winner overruns by moving straight ahead 2D6. Apply rules like a pursuit.
- (p.58, left column) if the pursuing unit contacts an opponent, this is a charge.
In case there are two warmachines not far from each other, combine all these rules and charge the first one with a clever anticipated angle, in order to overrun into the second one.

Also, worth to noting (p.110) that 6 harpies can fight. Regardless of the harpies formation, all six will be considered in close contact.


Trick #7, CR generator.
The trouble is not to concede too many dead harpies, which would go against your goal. Especially true if you're charging a unit of fierce foes with good armour.
In that case, you may better put your harpies in a narrow formation, so that few of them are in contact.


Thanks for sharing!


Also remember that if your harpies were on a hill when they charged into the rear they get an additional point of combat res. For a standard infantry block you've just negated most of his static res before combat.

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Thanks for the interesting compilation!

However, it looks like our Twinky-cousins should read up on the Stomp rules. You're neither allowed to Stomp at Warmachines or specifically at Wizards.


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Also I think that GE could not make a stomp attack in the case of fighting warmachines. Stomp works on infantry and cavalry, not at WM-crew.

Anyway, thanks for the tips )

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have a query that i don't recall: you cannot put CoB's KB on the Harpies right?

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L1qw1d wrote:
have a query that i don't recall: you cannot put CoB's KB on the Harpies right?

The same rule that keeps Harpies from panicking Dark Elf units keeps them from receiving Cauldron blessings.

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ty- work is making my mind into swiss cheese lol

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Updated 12-07 2012.

The article was updated with some new tricks and images.

Enjoy.

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That's a great article. Thanks for postng! Although, I have to say that I don't like trick 11. To me it isn't in the spirit of the rules and I'd be pretty pissed off if my opponant tried that on me!


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Hello kangavallo.

Of course it is always important to keep in mind the gaming context you play in.

Trick 11# is posted by and for a very skilled ETC-player.
In a gaming context where congalines and stuff like this trick #11 is very prominent.

In many other gaming groups/tournaments stuff like that is frowned upon.

It is always your decision how you play warhammer in your gaming circle. So feel free to pick and choose.

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Trick #1.
See above my comment above.
It stresses out how to position the charge in order to overrun into a second warmachine.
Additionnally, if the warmachine is on the edge of a hill, it gets +1 CR, so you should try to see whether a different angle would avoid that.

Talking about harpies rather than eagles, warmachines are a good reason for taking 6 harpies rather than 5.
Especially, it is worth noting that dwarf warmachine crews are a tough nut to crack, especially if an engineer has been included. There's not much you can do about it, unfortunately, except taking a 6th harpie.

Charging warmachines is not always easy.
They can often defend themselve, in that case the harpies will be killed by the blast, the benefit being that nobody else will.
Often, there's a unit babysitting the warmachines.
The trick is to have TWO harpy units able to charge. One will be destroyed by the opponent's defenses, but the other one will go through. Make sure to position the two harpies units so that if one is charged, the other one cannot be overrunned into.

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Trick #2: does not work against HE, who butcher harpies before they can do anything.
Otherwise, that's a good trick, to consider harpies just like living missiles with sniper's ability.

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May I suggest new tricks? They are useful for harpies, who are skirmishers, even if it hardly translates for Eagles.

Trick #12 Landing platform block.
You fear that the opponent's flying dragon/pegasus/daemon charged your best unit. As it is a flying threat, it can charge over any speed bump you may lay down, so tricks #4 and #10 are not useful.
However, the flying threat has to land in order for the charge to be effective.
One unit of harpies will be positioned in order to occupy the whole room where the flying monster must land in contact with your main unit (remember, when charging, that monster will ignore 1" from your harpies; still, it has to land somewhere). That is easy for a unit of skirmishers.
However, there's a risk that the flying monster charged your harpies instead. In order to prevent that, another harpy unit is to be positioned in order to do the same job for the first harpy unit.

The foremost harpy unit could flee in terror (assuming the flying monster causes terror). Never mind, harpies don't panic units they are flying across.
If that's the case, the monster is going to redirect against the other harpy unit. Just flee with the second harpy unit, the monster will not be able to charge your main unit, that would be one redirection too many.
Failed charge! Just rally the harpies, now.

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Trick #13. Living cover.
That's a trivial trick for harpies - but not for Eagles. ;)
Facing BS shooting, you fear to lose precious elite troops.
Place a harpy unit in front. They are skirmishers, at -1 to be shot.
If they are destroyed, nobody cares, they don't panic anyone, not even other harpies.
If the opponent still wants to shoot at your precious unit, now it will be at -2 to shoot.
Note that in order to be covered, a unit has to be 50% hidden. Thanksfully, harpies have wings which help to get that cover (wings are ignored when shooting at harpies, but no rule says that they are ignored when shooting across harpies).

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Thanks to everyone who posted in this thread - great tips :D

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Hi Guys,

I have a few tips. Pretty simple ones of of my playbook so I was surprised not to see them in here. ( No pics though, sorry )

Tip #14 Crowd control.

This was a fave of mine from back in the dark days of Hatred forcing persuit moves.

In this example my Corsairs charge an enemy unit, often they will get offered bait to try and drag them out of my battle line due to a frenzy overrun. Our heroes step forwards, fly over the combat and block their overrun/persuit move. You can choose how much or little you want to overrun by the distance you place your Harpies/eagle/flyer from the overrunning unit.

Tip #15 Evacuation route.

This tip can be used in 2 ways. 1st is Similar to the above tip it involves the Harpies flying over a combat and positioning themselves to extend the distance a fleeing enemy will move. The aim of this could be to ensure they leave the table, go through another enemy unit or even get in the way of one. With this you need to ensure you know which way the unit fleeing from combat will end up going. remember the center to center flee path even in combat.

2nd part is to do the same to your own unit when fleeing a charge. Position the harpies to enable a unit to flee through them to saftey without risking getting run down

Tip #12a Landing platform block addition

This one is an addition to a previous tip. In tip 12 the OP says use the harpies to stop a unit getting charged by a flying monster. I would also suggest using the harpies to block that places where he could land within your lines, Great in the mirror match when that annoying Dreadlord on pegasus is tring to get in amongst your battleline. Block the areas that would be out of LoS of your combat units. Overlapping charge zones from combat units, pendant hero on peg + units of 6 dark riders with champ will all give pause to a flying character, use the harpies to stand in the other spots and take up the space.

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