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You're not set when your expensive bus is going d6 random move instead of 18" fast can. It's not even about the damage.

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Gidean wrote:Peg Masters aka interceptors. :)


Certainly an option. I think we have the tools to deal with it. Just need to make sure they are viable in an all comers list. If Using peg masters against dwarfs , I would still want enough to go after the static war machines as well.
Bring out the triad peg master and lv4 list.
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Pablo wrote:
If you think that europeans hard countered native americans, I would suggest looking at the book 1491. Essentially, a year before columbus, north america was ravaged by a plague of sorts that killed 80ish percent of the population.


I am aware of the reduction in population that occurred after Columbus landed and before the Founding Fathers arrived in the North;
http://www.cracked.com/article_19864_6-ridiculous-lies-you-believe-about-founding-america.html

But anyway, the point of my post was humorous. And the Aztecs did get a kicking off Cortez.
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Amboadine wrote:Bring out the triad peg master and lv4 list.


a new kind of flying circus!

you can actually fit 4 Peg Master (at that point, only 1+ armor and Lance) and a Peg Dread(1+ reroll 4++),with a lvl4, in a 2500 list.
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Wow. That Gyrocopter is just... awful.

Unlike some of the internet, I've thought that the vast majority of GW's recent stuff has been very good. Even the abomination that is the Skullcannon I only dislike because of aesthetic tastes.

But this thing is horrible. So many flat surfaces. So cartoonish it looks like it belongs in WoW. So... fundamentally absurd physically that suspension of disbelief is blown out of the water. Maybe its the paintjob that does it a massive disservice, but I'd rank this up as one of the worst models GW has ever produced. Which is a shame, as the rest of the Dwarf range looks great.

Ugh, I've just used the criticisms of GW models that usually make me roll my eyes, but in this case...

Edit: Somebody pointed out over on Warseer that it looks just like Doctor Robotnik...
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Call me crazy, but I like the copter/bomber model. It look like it's designed to be transported through dwarves tunnels.
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Looks like it could be in special as opposed to rare as well based on the wording of them getting one new rare unit in the IronDrakes... though language can be finicky.

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In all honesty, the above sounds like a Dwarf's wet dream come true without any cost. Take the Thunderers and Quarrelers for example. They already are excellent combat infantry. Now, for 1 point more they get heavy armor, making them even more formiddable.
I think the high armor is suitable for Dwarves, mind. But 1 point? Hm. At what point cost do they come now?

As for the gyrobomber.. it is also rumored to come at 125 points. I doubt it will get both "bombs" and a full fledged cannon for that cost. I did see a profile with rules for a gun, at BS3 with multiple shots x4.
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really like the shieldwall rule, specially with ironbreakers making them a superanvil
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They are looking to have some pretty nice rules.
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If the above rumors are true then Dwarves will indeed be a stout and resilient hand to hand combat army. Ironbreakers having a 3+/5++ will make them tough as nails. Giving them Str 5 on the charge or 4++ when being charged is just.....wow! :burns:
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The rerolls is obliviously false (it would make one of the rules of the engineer special character useless, and it would be far to much powerful), probably more like rerolls 1s to hit or something as such.
I like the new copters, more dwarfish (but far less realist). The real challenge for the author will be in the fluff part, as to why do the dwarves have not conquered the world yet? They could just send hundreds of bomber in the badlands and the darklands and destroy every greenskins tribe out there. They could also just bomb the s*** out of any chaos invasion before they can even get out of the Troll Country.
4++ parry save was what i was thinking for the new Ironbreakers (it fits very well with professional tunnel fighters to be nearly invincible when attacked from the front), and it seams that it will be the case when they are charged. Our infantry will really struggle against them.
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I'm sure the copters are trickier to build than a goblin bolt thrower. I think in a fight of 3 bolt throwers vs. The bomber, the throwers would win. That and magic is why dwarfs are where they are.

You can take 10 years to build the perfect gun, but you will lose to someone who built 9 crappy ones in 9 years.
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No amount of bolt throwers can hit a copter, they could not even shoot high enough or the projectiles would be too slow. Canons would be almost as useless. The analogy with guns might work if we were comparing guns with guns, we aren't. We are comparing war machines of poor quality from the dark ages against flying bombers, something we have only since the 20th century, that were made by the most competent engineers in the world. And gobbos are lazy while dwarves works 23/24 7/7 and lives 400 years, they have plenty of time to produces hundreds of them.
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Time and knowledge the Dwarfs may have had. However do not forget that the engineers are bound by tradition. These new fangled copters are not something most longbeards would approve of. If the cannons and bolters of their ancestors were good enough for them , it should be good enough for the current warriors.
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This is looking really good. I like how Resolute and Shieldwall force an interesting decision - does the Dwarf unit try to charge and get that +1 Strength? Or do they sit back for the +1 Parry?

Interesting that there's no mention of -1 charge/flee penalties as well. I'm not sure if that and Relentless is enough to make them more mobile, but its certainly interesting. Rangers and Miners are looking very formidable indeed.

Edit: Wait, why are Quarrelers/Thunderers now in Rare?
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Who said they were in rare? The new build Ironbreakers with flame guns are rare. Haven't heard the thunderers being rare.
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Its on the GW website. The unit is in both Core and Rare, suggesting that one of the two are a Rare choice.
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Hmmm interesting, I would imagine of the two units it would be the Thunderers as the rare unit.
A way of limiting full gun powder gunlines and making people have to really choose what they want in rare, instead of just bombers and warmachines?
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Detherius Zythaal wrote: The real challenge for the author will be in the fluff part, as to why do the dwarves have not conquered the world yet? They could just send hundreds of bomber in the badlands and the darklands and destroy every greenskins tribe out there. They could also just bomb the s*** out of any chaos invasion before they can even get out of the Troll Country.


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That's alot of bombers.
I guess it would be of more use making 4 copters and 2 bombers to fit the normal special and rare restrictions.
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them beeing in both rare and special would suggest a dualkit.
one as ironbreakers and one as irondrakes

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T.D. wrote:
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We are medieval. They have better technology than a space faring race of the 41st millenium. :o_O:

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T.D. wrote:We are medieval. They have better technology than a space faring race of the 41st millenium. :o_O:
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