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i started using a lord on a dragon for a while now and i tryed to change my army around and dont see the punch anyway else i am not fond of a manticore because it has no armor the cold one can lock your lord down on stupidity and im not fond of the level four mage what is your oppinion on the best lord to use

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I prefer Lords who use punctuation.

But a close second is the Lord on a Dragon. However, there could be a bunch of new setups in the new book. Still, I find a Lord on Dragon tough to beat.


Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:22 pm
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And dare I add Lords who know how to spell or use a spell checker...*sigh*

Lords on Dragons are supposed to be the ultimate force on the battlefield which is why they're so expensive. If it's not effective, you're doing it wrong!


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Q: How effective a lord on dragon is?
A: Very.

Got 2 games with him. In the first i played against a superb player with skaven (around 300 models against mine 95). 4 turns of flying and mayhem, in which the dragon ate a lot of fire, and finally get killed, leaving the lord all alone, but with the equipment, that makes him immortal (AoES and PoK) He was on a killing spree and lived to see the end of the battle, scattering unit of jezzais and holding one of clanrats with warlock for 2 turns.

The second was against O&G. The dragonlord charged Black orcs alongside 5 CoK - total massacre. Then they continued through the whole flank, beign always in CC, never allowing the opponent to shoot at them.

Summary: If you can keep the dragon busy and away from shooting, he's a slaughter machine

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Many people think that dragons are prime targets to kill. This way you can deploy other juicy targets such as WE, Execs, Pegasi riders, etc. because the enemy will probably focus his fire/magic on the dragon. Equip him light (lance, PoK, Mundane armour), and you'll have a nice missile magnet ;)

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phierlihy wrote:
And dare I add Lords who know how to spell or use a spell checker...*sigh*

Lords on Dragons are supposed to be the ultimate force on the battlefield which is why they're so expensive. If it's not effective, you're doing it wrong!



oh really just comment the message not the spelling mr english teacher

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Actually we can give a lot better advice if we don't need to take 5 minutes to read the post. Text speak is not allowed and punctuation is extremely encouraged. Otherwise people are very keen to take a step over your post instead of trying to decode it.

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Of late there has been a marked drop in the quality of posts from some of our members.

We do expect all members to take their time with their posts. This is a forum - it doesn't matter if it takes two minutes or three minutes to create a post, but if taking three minutes means you post something coherent you'll be thanked by all.

A post that makes no sense makes you look like an idiot.

We're not expecting literary prose, we appreciate that many of our members either speak another language primarily or have issues with literacy. But you're sitting in front of a computer - Computers have spell checkers, the internet has dictionaries. Such things can go a long way to help you to be understood by the rest of us.

And even if it still isn't great, we know you've tried. And the bonus is you don't look like an idiot - and therefore everyone is happy.


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While these are not strictly rules, the rules of etiquette should be followed as much as possible. A general rule in etiquette is to just think before you post. Before you click the "Submit" button, just give the post a quick once-over and think about whether you've said anything of importance. If the post is inconsequential, just don't bother. Druchii.net is not about getting large post counts, it's about intelligent dialogue.


So, please take a moment to proofread before posting. Thank you.

Also, on top the Scarlet Captain is great on a dragon. My personal setup currently is a Dragon, full mundane, lance, potion of strength, Pendant of Khaeleth and AoES.

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damnedscorpio wrote:
phierlihy wrote:
And dare I add Lords who know how to spell or use a spell checker...*sigh*

Lords on Dragons are supposed to be the ultimate force on the battlefield which is why they're so expensive. If it's not effective, you're doing it wrong!



oh really just comment the message not the spelling mr english teacher
Learn punctuation and someone might.

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Azure wrote:
Actually we can give a lot better advice if we don't need to take 5 minutes to read the post. Text speak is not allowed and punctuation is extremely encouraged. Otherwise people are very keen to take a step over your post instead of trying to decode it.

Rork wrote:
Of late there has been a marked drop in the quality of posts from some of our members.

We do expect all members to take their time with their posts. This is a forum - it doesn't matter if it takes two minutes or three minutes to create a post, but if taking three minutes means you post something coherent you'll be thanked by all.

A post that makes no sense makes you look like an idiot.

We're not expecting literary prose, we appreciate that many of our members either speak another language primarily or have issues with literacy. But you're sitting in front of a computer - Computers have spell checkers, the internet has dictionaries. Such things can go a long way to help you to be understood by the rest of us.

And even if it still isn't great, we know you've tried. And the bonus is you don't look like an idiot - and therefore everyone is happy.


Also, in the forum rules.
The Rules Post wrote:
While these are not strictly rules, the rules of etiquette should be followed as much as possible. A general rule in etiquette is to just think before you post. Before you click the "Submit" button, just give the post a quick once-over and think about whether you've said anything of importance. If the post is inconsequential, just don't bother. Druchii.net is not about getting large post counts, it's about intelligent dialogue.


So, please take a moment to proofread before posting. Thank you.

Also, on top the Scarlet Captain is great on a dragon. My personal setup currently is a Dragon, full mundane, lance, potion of strength, Pendant of Khaeleth and AoES.

-Rex


I really like the name 'Scarlet Captain', definitely a meme we'll have to encourage.

Far as the language goes, its honestly not just a elitism thing but for those of us who speak different languages horribly mangled punctuation is a bigger headache than an excessively eloquant vocabulary or merely poor spelling. Understanding requires context and poor grammar makes getting the context before the actual meaning a nightmare.

On to the topic in hand, you need to keep in mind that in any army the effectiveness of any particular unit involves you using the right tool for the right job. Obviously a dragon is going to add the largest amount of pure killing power to a lord out of all the available options, what you then need to do is recognise what this tool is capable of and then put it to use.

To put this in perspective, a good statistic to bear in mind is that to even cause a fully ranked unit to even start taking a break test you need to kill 6 people. Should you hit and wound on a 2+ (which is near enough to a 3+ rerolled if you're not too hot on maths, essentially a reroll is more or less +1 to hit) you'll need at least 8.6 attacks. The Scarlet Captain can throw out this many attacks, but even though he might beat the mighty static 5CR he'll get a -1 or less to the break test more often not. Lacking the US to force a unit to automatically flee, this really isn't a good return on your 500+ character (again, to put it in a sense of perspective again, the same points spent on cold one knights would net around 18 kills).

You need to look at what you are spending those extra points on, and that basically boils down to Terror and Movement and of these two the latter is what you're really after. Terror is pretty much an added bonus in that you are immune to fear/terror and have the potential to break units in the turn you are setting up for a charge - never forget that as a large target you can see over the unit of goblins you stand next to (to break) right into the flank of the Black Orcs you would have otherwise considered themselves safe.

Obviously getting 20 Cold One knights into the same sort of position that a flying dragon lord is a much more complicated task than getting your big monster where he can do some damage - hence the popularity of the Scarlet Captain, the Dreadlord's main strength in this case comes from bing US5+ (and thus able to break ranks), immunity to fear and terror (thus no autobreaks when he finds himself up against 20 zombies) and the freedom of movement. Importantly he is a lot easier to kill than the dragon, so making him next to invunerable gives the dragon a 5+ ward save against shooting (ish) and counteracts a big weakness in the combo - the 3 wound T3 guy. Infact it takes a ridiculous number of attacks on average to kill the Scarlet Captain, more than most characters actually get to make in a game. Comes out to about 40ish if I remember correctly, and those were from a Vampire Lord, who can only make 26 over the course of the entire game assuming they charge on turn one. Archeron might be able to take one down, if he gets stuck in quick enough but may well end up killing himself off sooner.

Not even a Treeman Ancient with the Annoyance of Netlings is as tough as the Scarlet Captain when fighting other characters. That is assuming we're not talking Skink Priests and Goblin Shamans with S3, because those guys will do awesomely well against a Lord on a Dragon...

So yeah, a Dreadlord on a Dragon has the fantastic ability to take on pretty much any other character and will almost certainly break a unit if he hits it in the side (not even dwarfs like a -7 Ld penalty - average kills + flank). His one weakness is war machines, and with a bodyguard of core harpies even that shouldn't pose more than a turn or so of danger

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i actually dont have the new book yet. i am using my old book combo of executioners axe blood armor sdc shield

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I also still have the old book because my new one hasn't arrived yet. I always play Dragon lists now and I like full mundane armor, Blade of Ruin, and Black Amulet. Gives you good all around saves with a chance of rebounding wounds as well as a weapon that negates armor. Combine this with the Extra WS and S the HB already has, he and his dragon can take on just about anything (except 2 Treemen at the same time).

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Tastyfish wrote:
To put this in perspective, a good statistic to bear in mind is that to even cause a fully ranked unit to even start taking a break test you need to kill 6 people. Should you hit and wound on a 2+ (which is near enough to a 3+ rerolled if you're not too hot on maths, essentially a reroll is more or less +1 to hit) you'll need at least 8.6 attacks. The Scarlet Captain can throw out this many attacks, but even though he might beat the mighty static 5CR he'll get a -1 or less to the break test more often not. Lacking the US to force a unit to automatically flee, this really isn't a good return on your 500+ character (again, to put it in a sense of perspective again, the same points spent on cold one knights would net around 18 kills).


That's why such units have a flank/rear ;)

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Rork said:
Of late there has been a marked drop in the quality of posts from some of our members.

We do expect all members to take their time with their posts. This is a forum - it doesn't matter if it takes two minutes or three minutes to create a post, but if taking three minutes means you post something coherent you'll be thanked by all.

A post that makes no sense makes you look like an idiot.

We're not expecting literary prose, we appreciate that many of our members either speak another language primarily or have issues with literacy. But you're sitting in front of a computer - Computers have spell checkers, the internet has dictionaries. Such things can go a long way to help you to be understood by the rest of us.

And even if it still isn't great, we know you've tried. And the bonus is you don't look like an idiot - and therefore everyone is happy.

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OK I understand the need for some punctuation, on the other hand just because some one can't spell/has bad punctuation there is no need to call him/her an idiot. I happen to have a learning disabiltiy and spelling/grammer ect. are very hard for me. Others may have the same problem so please just because some one spells somthing incorectly or there grammer if off do not call them an idiot they may just have difuculties writing. Oh and as a side note spell check is by far the worst idea ever,because if some one as spellet something sooooo incorrectly you may have been able to decifer it while spellcheck changed the meaning totatly.


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Sometimes, bringing back an old thread is nice, if the idea expressed in the old thread are of interest, and if the new post brings in some interesting comments.

Your post does not belong to this category: it is clearly not in light with the title of the thread.
Furthermore, it has nothing really positive to add.
Rork's post was a call for D.netters not making themselves looking like an idiot with post that make no sense, not with post with spelling mistakes.
Spelling is difficult for English speakers, and possibly even more for foreigners. For all of us, a good spelling enables to understand better.

I don't want any further rant/flame in this post.
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