lol word of pain and bladewind, just caught on

[Grez90]

i'v only just realised as i played against wood elves yesterday, that if u cast word of pain on a unit with high ws, then it makes bladewind so much easier to hit lol, i'll be hitting everythin on 3's

[PrinceDarien]

I was wondering this yesterday during a match...does Hatred also apply to the Bladewind attacks, considering they are CC attacks?

[Drek]

...now that is a great question...

[Grez90]

i don't think it does, as it doesn't state who is using the attacks, whether its the wizard or not

[Krystalice2020]

I don't think they do because hatred only effects rolls to hit the the first round of combat... your not actually IN combat... it's still the magic phase...

[PrinceDarien]

But they are clearly defined as Close Combat attacks. There is also a WS value given to the attacks, and thus you still have to roll to hit....

[PrinceDarien]

i don't think it does, as it doesn't state who is using the attacks, whether its the wizard or not

Actually if you read the fluff attached to the Bladewind text, the spell is said to cause the Wizard to wield a thousand magical blades and send them on the enemy...

[Azure]

Actually if you read the fluff attached to the Bladewind text, the spell is said to cause the Wizard to wield a thousand magical blades and send them on the enemy...

And if you read the fluff for CAledors Bane it is a lance. Unfortunately with the writers GW currently employees, fluff =/= rules.

-Rex

[PrinceDarien]

I understand that, and the last word should really be what the spell/rules say and not the fluff.

However, if it comes down to a simple technicality such as who is actually dealing the attacks...it's not too hard to see that it's the wizard.

[Aginor26]

If it doesnt say it has hatred then it doesnt

[Elfik]

I don't think they do because hatred only effects rolls to hit the the first round of combat... your not actually IN combat... it's still the magic phase...

I think you're right.

[Kirrby]

I honestly can't believe people are entertaining this idea <_<.

In one of the other threads someone said they asked one of the designers and they said no.

[Grez90]

well it can't...your not in the combat phase, the attacks aren't being in combat from a hatred model/unit, and thier are no rounds of combat...if it said attacks count as the first round of a combat, then u may have a point..

the way you are saying it, is that anything the mage has, the spell has. so apparently they could be poisoned/frenzied/killing blow etc. it just can't

[Dalamar]

that would be fun then
Give sorceress Killing Blow blessing from CoB and go off with bladewind

[Masterofdarkness]

Hehe giving the sorceress killing blow itself seems like a funny idea "Hey Jeff lets go charge that chick over there""shiz NO you see what she did to bob god damn she had these magical daggers and not only did they look pissed but they went thru men like Tims sister at the barracks""GOD DAMN we need to get out of here""Hey not cool guys"

[Crawd]

KB works with it but not Hatred, because Hatred is for the first round of the Close Combat phase. The keyword is Close Combat Phase. Blade wind damage are done during the magic phase, so there's no Hatred for this.

[Grogsnotpowwabomba]

i'v only just realised as i played against wood elves yesterday, that if u cast word of pain on a unit with high ws, then it makes bladewind so much easier to hit lol, i'll be hitting everythin on 3's

I think its a cool idea, but not generally a useful combo. On average, you will only gain an extra 1-2 hits. And against anything WS3 or less it offers no benefit at all.

I would only consider this if I had Power of Darkness dice I needed to use up.

[Grez90]

thats what i had, plus i was casting it on a large unit of glade guard, to reduce bs, then i thought hmmm, i could get a few more wounds here.
who said killing blow would work, its not the wizards attack, its the spells

[Druchii77]

I think we have to assume that bladewind would not get hatred or killing blow as it is a spell, not an actual model attacking. Though this is an apparent loophole, I think it is pretty obvious that it shouldn't be played this way.

[Decker_cky]

I think its a cool idea, but not generally a useful combo. On average, you will only gain an extra 1-2 hits. And against anything WS3 or less it offers no benefit at all.

I would only consider this if I had Power of Darkness dice I needed to use up.

It's a huge benefit against WS5+ units, and especially against high elves, this will be handy. It's not such an "omg!" combo, but it's something nice you can consider.

[Whobetta]

Grez, you're really putting me down here!!!

doesn't it count the "source" of hte attacks? the spell is from the sorceress no? there for if she HAD KB then bladewind has it?

please.....

[Decker_cky]

I don't think KB would apply to bladewind. The special rules don't apply to the spells. Spells have their own rules. Spells cast from a tzeentch daemon don't become flaming because they have flaming attacks.

[Grogsnotpowwabomba]

It's a huge benefit against WS5+ units, and especially against high elves, this will be handy. It's not such an "omg!" combo, but it's something nice you can consider.

Its not a huge benefit. Only on WS9 and WS10 enemies will it really make much of an impact (doubling the average number of hits). But considering how few enemies have this high WS, it really is inconsequential...

[Colonel]

Follow up this trick with those silly hydras teeth attacks and you could kill weaker characters.