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Supreme Sorceress, Dark Pegasus, Focus Familiar, Pearl of Infinite Bleakness, 2 Dispel Scrolls =410pts

Sorceress, Dark Pegasus, Tome of Furion, Lifetaker, Level 2 =230pts
Death Hag, Cauldron of Blood =200pts

10 RXBmen =100pts
5 Dark Riders, RXBs =110pts
5 Dark Riders, RXBs =110pts

5 Cold One Knights, Std =151pts
6 Cold One Knights, Std, Champion, Banner of Hag Graef, Crimson Death =254pts
5 Shades =80pts
5 Shades =80pts

Hydra =175pts
RBT =100pts


How does this look????

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Its a cavalry list with a few support units on foot :P Remind me to explain what balanced means when I see you next - Reading I believe.

I like the two Dark Pegasus mounted sorceresses (got these in my latest list oddly enough)

From experience the Cauldron without infantry is hard to use effectively as you have a real hard time keeping it from getting attacked and it's effect is much better on them due to the numbers.

Pearl on the High sorceress why?

Only 1 RBT this is a bit like having Fish but no chips leaves you feeling like you've been short changed.

No static CR won't help either if you want to build a balanced list get some proper infantry.

Cauldron giving 1A on Spearmen is awsome. Team it up with the Banner of Murder so they can acrtually kill things - worked really well for me in Bristol. Drop the 2nd knight unit to fit them in list will work much better and give you a better ability to control the table and provide some balance.

If you want balance think about this

Supreme Sorceress, Dark Pegasus, Focus Familiar, 2 Dispel Scrolls =385pts

Sorceress, Dark Pegasus, Tome of Furion, Lifetaker, Level 2 =230pts

Death Hag, Cauldron of Blood =200pts

10 RXBmen =100pts
20 warriors Shields FC BoM = 180pts
5 Dark Riders, RXBs =110pts
5 Dark Riders, RXBs =110pts

6 Cold One Knights, Std, Champion, Banner of Hag Graef, Crimson Death =246 pts
5 Shades =80pts
5 Shades =80pts

Hydra =175pts
RBT =100pts

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I was toying with the spearblock from the 2nd CoK unit but i have 2 units painted. I have been using BG but they can be avoided but i did play tristiannas 20 Flesh Hound army and 10 flamers. I will try out your version of the list.

I wanted the pearl becuase of the Ld spam armies.

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I don't know if I like the banner of hag graef on a unit that is supposed to get the charge. I prefer the banner of cold blood and some baiting to secure the charge (But I only use knights as support). In that case you can also drop the CD from the champion to save some more points. And if you are dropping the champion you will have enough points for a unit of 5 harpies, and shields for the RxBs.

Or you could beef up the shades with GW or additional hand weapon.


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I plan to use the knights as a more mobile BG unit. I can take a charge or charge and with Hatred and the Cauldron's effects i have a answer to most situations. Also the Cauldron can beef up Dark Riders/Shades and the Spears as well.

Martin, i have been using avoidance but i love the cauldron so much it has gone to a more balanced list, are you playing more fnatsy or is Tanelron still Hordes??

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I would say that the merit of adding an attack to your cold one knight units via the cauldron makes them much more threatening, but I also feel that you lack targets for the cauldron's blessings. Black Guard and even spears are great candidates for the blessing. Perhaps add a unit or one of these at the expense of a unit of CoK?

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I played a 2nd gen army last night and i found i suffered and i could n't get pit off once. I feel i will go back to the level4 on dragon/pendant but make the rest of the army more combat orientated.

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You can't have your strategy revolve around getting one spell off. By comparison, the rest of Shadow lore is a bit pooh. A list needs redundancy to be able to take on opponents in other phases if one fails for any reason.


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I knoww but i struggle to find another reliable way of popping a second gen.

I have decided to avoid the dragon mage and keep roughly the same there but more tweking. Black guard and more MSU knights have been added. Also Harpies as i miss the ability to catch skirmishers.

Supreme Sorceress, Dark Pegasus, Focus Familiar, Pendant of Khaeleth, Scroll =395pts

Sorceress, Level 2, 2 Scrolls =185pts
Death Hag, Cauldron of Blood =200pts

10 RXBmen =100pts
5 Dark Riders, RXBs, Standard =124pts
5 Dark Riders, RXBs, Standard =124pts
5 Harpies =55pts
5 Harpies =55pts

5 Cold One Knights, Champion, Biting Blade =156pts
5 Cold One Knights, Champion, Death Piercer =176pts
13 Black Guard, Standard, Champion, Banner of Hag Graef, Blood Armour =254pts

Hydra =175pts

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Rob,

we've been playing a bit more fantasy of late again plus monsteropolis - a truely mad game but resonably cheap, The DE's and new WoC books have rekindled the interest.

I can't be bothererd with all this avoidance nonsence I'm too old to waste my time on rubbish like that clogging up my limited playing opportunities - hence the fact I only play regional stuff these days pretty much.

I'm a big fan of the Cauldron which I've used in both 6th and 7th ed to great effect, Bristol being the most recent outing. Druchii77 is talking good sense of what needs changing if you want a Cauldron geared list, Bless the spears with extra attacks force an opponent to charge then st back and laugh at opponents being one of my favourites as your almost guaranteed to get 30 odd attacks over 2 rounds of hth.

I hardly ever use the ward save after turn 1 either +1 attacks or Killing blow on multi attack units works for me everytime. The cauldron really is most affective on your multi attack elven infantry and we have loads of that to choose from even Execs are vaugly good with the Cauldron Blessing espcially if attacking.

Drop the second COK unit for spearmen and sort out the magic items currently your choice in my view is not good, too many scrolls and rubbish pick for the COK champion and it will be a mucbetter list with loads of options.

One question 13 BG? Seems odd as the Hag can't joint them and the sorceress doesn't give you enough for 2 ranks either get 14 or go with 12 and use the points on the spearmen, 20 FC BoM is my favourite combo.

To give you an idea of where I am coming from here's my list for Reading, It'll hold up against most non-named character lists, plenty to do in all phases and just enough power to beat many people with without making the game dull.

Supreme Sorceress xtra level, Dark Pegasus, Life taker, Dispel scroll = 365

Sorceress xtra level, Dark Star Cloak, Dispel Scroll = 185

Master BSB Heavy Armour, Pendant of Khaeleth, Soul Renderer = 159

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10 Crossbowmen shields = 110
20 Warriors Shields Standard, Musician = 149
5 Dark Riders Repeater crossbows = 110
5 Dark Riders = 85
5 Harpies = 55
5 Harpies = 55

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5 Shades = 80
14 Black Guard Master with Crimson Death, Standard with Banner of Hag Greaf = 270

Rare
War Hydra = 175
2 Repeater Bolt throwers = 200

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MArtin nice list, i am working to something similar. I tried avoidance but i have to the same conclusion but i have been 2nd gened a few times, but i think i have more options to deal with different units now.

I love thenew book and as i have most options i want to try everything.

I will see if i can come down to the club.

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I'm not there for a couple of weeks due to events back after Reading.

Know what you mean as you can imagine I have a few options and just about anything will work OK vs an average opponent.

DA has a similar list for reading but 2 BG units instead of the Spears.

Our collective thinking is that whilst the Dragon Mage/Dreadlord armies "might" be GWGT options the all around lists are actually more effective most of the time vs more opponents. DA's Dreadlord in BG combo from Denmark was awsomely good.

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That is what i found, but it is easier to use the dragon mage list so i am taking more time using the old balnced army. Spears or Black guard is always interesting.

Good luck i can't make it due to picking a inlaw up from heathrow on the sat but i wanted to go.

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You not going to Reading now Rob?


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Yep, i know i am really annoyed about it. Still i will get a nice DE army to work for me. I will keep this thread going as i have another game on monday with my balanced list.

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I have played 2 games today and here is a change

Level 4, Ring of Darkness, 2 Scrolls
Cauldron of Blood
Master, Pendant of Khaeleth, Blade of Might, BSB, Dark Steed, HA, SDC

5 Dark Riders, RXBs
5 Dark Riders, RXBs
10 RXBmen
5 Harpies
20 Spearmen. FC, Shields
5 Cold One Knights
13 BG, STd, Champion, Banner of Hag Graef
Hydra
2 RBTs

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Its a better list, but your magic isn't strong enough with just 1 lvl 4. Consider swapping the noble for a second Sorc and making the CoB Hag a BSB.

Something like:

Lvl 4, Pendant, DST, power stone
Lvl 2, 2x scroll
Hag BSB + Couldron

18 Spearmen, FC
10 RXb, shields
5 DR, rxb
5 DR, rxb

15 BG, ASF (could do 14 + soulrender on the champ)
5 CoK

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I found the level4 is more defensive and the Ring of Darkness saves the BG. I will be using it tomorrow so i will see how it goes. I like the idea but the Pendant BSB is amazing.

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i had a draw with the list today and i need to make subtle changes but the list works well. Changes tomorrow lunch

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Level 4, 2 Scrolls =310pts

Cauldron of Blood =200pts
Master, Pendant of Khaeleth, Blade of Might, Shield, Dark Steed, Heavy Armour, Sea Dragon Cloak, BSB =177pts
Level 2, Sacrificial Dagger =160pts

5 Dark Riders, RXBs =110pts
5 Dark Riders, RXBs =110pts
5 Harpies =55pts
19 Spear Elves, FC, Shields =149pts

5 Cold One Knights =135pts
13 Black Guard, Std, Banner of Hag Graef =214pts

Hydra =175pts
2 RBTs =200pts

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Why do people want to watse points with the dagger every time you use it you give away 7pts take that over 2 spells for 6 turns and it starts to add up. If you go with it save the points and make the spears cheap.

I prefer the Dark Star Claok for the one off cost, The dagger will end up at at least 50 odd points andf if it cost that to start with you probably woundn't take it.

I'd split the scrolls up brings the supreme to under 300pts. the rest looks good though.

FYI Reading was interesting I finshed 4th and DA 5th (we actually had the same number of TP's. His magical defence was more effective but my more powerful offence despite less shotting proved the better way to amass VP's.

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Say you have 2 dice to cast chillwind but you would rather do more damage with bladewind, enter the sacrificial dagger. If the support unit you just crippled was key in the ennemy plans, it's well worth 6-7pts. If you roll doombolt it's great because you can cast PoD, Chillwind, Doombolt, all with 3PD + 3 spearmen. Also sometimes fewer dice will succeed and you won't need a sacrifice. Sorry about the tangent but I think the dagger is a good choice.

However in your army you need 18 spears to survive for good CR, so take the cloak.

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Keledron wrote:
FYI Reading was interesting I finshed 4th and DA 5th (we actually had the same number of TP's. His magical defence was more effective but my more powerful offence despite less shotting proved the better way to amass VP's.


I also played one less game don't forget ;)


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@DA ha, ha, 5 games not so sure about that :P

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Can we get some reports from you two??

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