Two Cauldrons ?

Ampao · Post by **Ampao** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:57 am

Don't know which forum to post in. Mod, please feel free to move.

How viable is a two cauldron army? Filled with Corsairs and witches? Got any sample lists?

I have in mind:

Dreadlord
DarkSteed
Caledors Bane, Potion of Str, Pendant
HA, Sh, SDC

Death Hag BSB + Hydra Banner?

Death Hag + COB

Death Hag + COB

35 Corsairs (formed 7x5ranks)
FC
Frenzy Banner

20 Corsairs
FC

20 Corsairs
FC

20 Witches
FC

20 Witches
FC

20 Execs
FC

2 Hydras

Not sure how much this would cost yet, but thats what I have in mind.
Any thoughts?

Borog · Post by **Borog** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:27 am

I don't think you need 20 EXE, 7 with a draichmaster should do fine. How many points are you aiming at roughly? Or get one more so you have 21 in 7*3.

Corsairs with KB are deadly, but do you really need 75 of them? Drop one unit of corsairs and get DR.

Ampao · Post by **Ampao** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:11 pm

Aiming somewhere about 2250. No actual points in yet.

DRs a good idea. What about harpies?

Enfant terrible · Post by **Enfant terrible** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:28 pm

Even though this list looks like loads of fun (and that might be the primary reason to actually field that list), it doesn't really look that competitive - I think you'll struggle for results!

Ampao · Post by **Ampao** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:33 pm

Well, if you want it to be competitive, Enfant, what would you add?
What aspect do you think this list is lacking? Thanks for the input. I'm not putting the points on it yet, because I want to know what you all think.
Im also aiming for a fun list and maybe a competitive one.

Enfant terrible · Post by **Enfant terrible** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:50 pm

What you really need to do is ask yourself the question: What can this army do?!

1). You've got 6 big (1 HUGE) infantry units - what will their puprose be on the battlefield? How are they NOT going to be in eachothers way.

2). Why do you want your 35-man (35!!!) unit to be frenzy? Giving away the manouverability for +1 attack sounds like a bad tradeoff.

3). You'll have a REALLY slow army - with nothing to really compensate for this (like normal artillery would - by being able to pepper the opponent, softening up enemy units before hitting them hard).

4). It looks like you intend Shadow Magic to be your ally?? That might indeed prove to be your armys biggest weakness - the lack of options once you realize that magic won't necessarily save you.

Just a few points for starters! Consider adding artillery and cut down on the units ... better have fewer units - as long as they get the job done! Add Black Guards (even if they aren't khainite).

Ampao · Post by **Ampao** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:57 pm

Awesome insight Enfant! I will definitely take your questions into heart!

Thanks for the tips!

Post by **Calisson** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:23 pm

That could be interesting!
Progress towards the enemy - one huuuuge long line (17 frontage) of corsairs in front, blessed with the 5+ ward save, providing a shield for the others.

When closing up, this line narrows down to 7 wide, getting ready for melee.

At any time, the two units the most involved in the melee get the CoB blessing. KB for frenzied corsairs, +1 attack for KB execs... Man, you're talking about a slaughter!

However, beware of magic, shooting, terror-causing beasts and being out-maneuvred.

tmr · Post by **tmr** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:22 am

I do my regular play day tomorrow... I took your list and loaded each unit with an assasin - it left me with same core DL, Hydras x2 CoB etc... but 2 units of Corsairs x12 w/ Assassin with RoK and KB as well as i unit x12 WE w/ Assassin with RoK and KB and a unit of DR w/ Musician and RxB... also armed the DHs one with Rendering stars and the other with CoT...

I'm going to try this tomorrow against something...

I like trying to get my corsairs in a battle from time to time

Ampao · Post by **Ampao** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:37 am

ooh! Do let us know tmr. Thanks for testing!

incidentally, have you posted that list on here?

tmr · Post by **tmr** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:40 pm

Its the same list that started this thread with the modifications describe, anyway, I'm on my way out. I’ll post this evening when I get done.

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Marauder mitch2 · Post by **Marauder mitch2** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:34 pm

Good luck and i hope the game went well. I personaly would drop the big unit of corsairs to get some diverters and chaff in the list. As i can see the list playing like warriors atm.

The hydra Banner is not worth it with 2 cauldrons around. maybe swap the BSB for a couple of cheap assassin with xhw and rune to help out your blocks.

Balkanian druchii · Post by **Balkanian druchii** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:14 pm

if you already have that much infantry it would be very useful to take some assassins......

tmr · Post by **tmr** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:22 pm

So I took the modified two CoB army – 2300 pts

x1 – DL with Caledor Bane, Blood Armor, PoK
x2 - War Hydras
x5 – DR RxB and Musician
x1 Hag Queen as BSB w/ Hydra Banner
x1 CoB Death Hag w/ RoK
x1 CoB Death Hag w/ Cloak of Twlight
x13 WE w/ Hag w/ RoK and Assassin w/ RoK and touch of death
x 12 Corsairs, Reaver and Assassin w/ RoK and touch of death – banner of murder
x 12 Corsairs, Reaver and Assassin w/ RoK and touch of death – war banner

So I had no idea who I was going to play… it was a straight pick-up game.

I drew the Tomb Kings – this was a tournament army
He had
x2 units of Skeleton Chariot
x3 units of Skeleton warriors
x1 Unit of Ushabti
x1 units of tomb guards w/ Tomb King
x1 Liche Priest
x1 Screaming skull Catapult
x1 Casket of Souls

It was over by the 4th turn.

This army has no chance against a tomb king army… it needs some kind of magic defense. In the first turn one of my hydra’s was killed out right by the catapult. It was downhill from there. But the game did draw a lot of attention from around the room. I did hold my own for the first 3 turns and if I did have some magic defense I had a chance.

Against some other armies this list could be competitive. We have an ogre’s player that I want to play him and see what happens. I could turn the BSB into an lvl 2 scroll caddy and could have held off some of the magic missiles.

Once in combat the assassins really made a difference with the ASF. Touch of death of course was worthless so if going against the TK again I would use manbane, banner of murder worthless against the TK, war banner made the difference a couple of times.

All-in-all a fun list… after some tweeks

Ampao · Post by **Ampao** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:28 pm

Awesome report!! Thanks! Will try to tweak a list and post again. hehe

Thanks for finding out the weaknesses and suggestions tmr.