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Raider's of the Storm Vixen - 2000pts 
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So i'm back into Dark Elves, have some models, some fluff to try follow and now have a base list for 2000pts and need advice. I'm interested in knowing whether or not this list could work... and i know that the list has no Dark Riders and i want to know if the list could work without them.

Lord & Heroes

Dreadlord Sidorio=231 (go's in the corsairs with war banner)
- Sea Dragon Cloak
- Soulrender
- Armour of Eternal Servitude
- Pendant of Kaeleth

Master Draak'nyel=158 (go's in other corsair unit)
- Battle Standard Bearer
- Great Weapon
- Sea Dragon Cloak
- Seal of Ghrond
- Blood Armour

Sorcerer Vaako=170 9go's with Repeater Crossbows)
- Level 2
- Power Stone
- Tome of Furion

Core

Assassin Vash'nir=151 (go's in Excecutioner unit)
- Additional Hand Weapon
- Touch of Death
- Rune of Khaine

18 Corsairs=230
- Full Command
- War Banner

18 Corsairs=205
- Full Command

14 Repeater Crossbows=164
- Guard Master, Muscician
- Shields

5 Harpies=55

Special

5 Cold One Knights=235
- Full Command
- Ring Of Hotek (keep far away from my sorcerer)
- Standard of Slaughter

5 Shades=90
- Great Weapon

15 Excecutioners=210
- Full Command

Rare

Reaper Bolt Thrower=100

please offer all forms of advice and please tell me if the list could work and if it could work without the dark riders. also if it matters i have another unit of Repeater Crossbows kitted out the same as the frst spare.

many thanks Sidorio ;)

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Vash’nir - WS5 / S4 / T4 / D5 / I3
Equipment: 2 asrai short swords, assassins dagger, silver dagger, modified repeater crossbow (20/20), hunting spear, Cloak of Dusk, full leather armour
Inventory: talisman of protection, talisman of night, smoke bombs x6, rope x2, healing balms x10, climbing axe x2, skinning knives, winter gear, Vikarh map, pouch of powder, 4 fire bombs
Mount: Dark Steed (Falken)
Gold: 2270
Skills: Stealth, Two Weapon Fighting, Basic Ride
Class: Shade


Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:15 am
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A single lev 2 Sorceress is weak. She will have little chance to overcome the magic resistance of any army. She will be more effective as a mere level 1 scroll caddy.

18 corsairs: you could provide them the ASF or AP banneer.

14 MXB: strange number. Ususally it is more maneuvrable by 10.

5 harpies: you will miss not having more. I suggest dropping 5 MXB and buy another 5 harpies unit.

COK. Will suffer as they have no master with them. Such a high value unit, especially bearing the RoH, will be the warmachine priority target.

Execs: how do you intend to screen this fragile unit from shooting & magic?

RBT: if you could have the points for 2 of them, that will be a great enhancement to your missile phase which is not that strong.

Alternatively, you seem to have the availability of 2 units of 10 MXB.

Overall, you don't have much mobility (only 5 harpies are quick), your magic phase is not strong, you have little shooting.
You have 3 big blocks of infantry and 1 wide cavalry, how do you intend to maneuvre them not letting your opponent handle one at a time?

Any list could work without DR... provided you have many harpies/shades/hydra units. Your list is very, very slow and it may make you suffer a lot.

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Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:12 am
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is there any more advice, i really need to know how to improve the list. i have some ideas for how to change it thanks to Calissons tips, but i want to know how i can make it work better.

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Vash’nir - WS5 / S4 / T4 / D5 / I3
Equipment: 2 asrai short swords, assassins dagger, silver dagger, modified repeater crossbow (20/20), hunting spear, Cloak of Dusk, full leather armour
Inventory: talisman of protection, talisman of night, smoke bombs x6, rope x2, healing balms x10, climbing axe x2, skinning knives, winter gear, Vikarh map, pouch of powder, 4 fire bombs
Mount: Dark Steed (Falken)
Gold: 2270
Skills: Stealth, Two Weapon Fighting, Basic Ride
Class: Shade


Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:29 pm
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Okay so i've done a little editing on the list and wonder if this is better or worse than before.

Dreadlord Sidorio=252
- Soulrender
- Deathmask
- Pendant of Khaeleth
- Heavy Army
- Sea Dragon Cloak

Master Draak'nyel=158
- Battle Standard Bearer
- Sword of Might
- Seal of Ghrond
- Ring of Hotek
- Heavy Armour
- Sea Dragon Cloak

18 Black Arc Corsairs=205 (BSB goes here)
- Full Command

18 Black Arc Corsairs=230 (Assassin goes here)
- Full Command
- Banner of Murder

10 Repeater Crossbows=120
- Muscician, Guardmaster
- Shields

10 Repeater Crossbows=120
- Muscician, Guardmaster
- Shields

5 Harpies=55

5 Harpies=55

Assassin Vash'nir=156
- Additional Hand Weapon
- Rune of Khaine
- Manbane
- Cry of War

8 Shades=144
- Great Weapons

18 Black Guard=329
- Full Command
- Ring of Hotek
- Banner of Hag Graef

War Hyrdra=175

So is this list any better than the first, and what should be changed.

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Vash’nir - WS5 / S4 / T4 / D5 / I3
Equipment: 2 asrai short swords, assassins dagger, silver dagger, modified repeater crossbow (20/20), hunting spear, Cloak of Dusk, full leather armour
Inventory: talisman of protection, talisman of night, smoke bombs x6, rope x2, healing balms x10, climbing axe x2, skinning knives, winter gear, Vikarh map, pouch of powder, 4 fire bombs
Mount: Dark Steed (Falken)
Gold: 2270
Skills: Stealth, Two Weapon Fighting, Basic Ride
Class: Shade


Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:50 pm
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As he is now, your BSB is rather vulnerable. a 4+ save? That won't stand up to much if he is with the corsairs. I would put him with the black guard.

I do like your dreadlord. He is like a vanilla mock up of Lokir only with some strength. Looks good.

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Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:06 am
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Sidorio wrote:

Master Draak'nyel=158
- Battle Standard Bearer
- Sword of Might
- Seal of Ghrond
- Ring of Hotek
- Heavy Armour
- Sea Dragon Cloak


18 Black Guard=329
- Full Command
- Ring of Hotek
- Banner of Hag Graef


So is this list any better than the first, and what should be changed.



You can't have 2 Rings of Hotek - I would give my right leg to be able to do that - but unfortunately not... :roll:

Obviously an oversight ;)

I'm also with Druchii77 - your BSB needs a bit of armour - I'd drop the Seal of Grond and by him some Armour of Darkness.

Steve


Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:11 am
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