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Wait so what happened

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Ive watched a few youtube videos on the lore as i am a old school WFB player. So basically Slaanesh ate all the elves. So what happened to the dark elves do they we remade or what?!?!?
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IIRC, Slaanesh ate all the elves except those who made it to the Realm of Azyr. Those surviving Azyrite elves are the factions represented by all the 'legacy' miniatures, such as the Daughters of Khaine (witch elves and SoS), Darkling Covens (sorceresses and basic infantry), etc. They all live in some degree of peace with the other 'Old World legacy' factions under Sigmar's rule.

Then at some point the elven gods Malerion (formerly Malekith) and Tyrion (formerly Peter Dinklage :P ) went off to beat up Slaanesh, freeing some/most/all of the elven souls she'd eaten. Those newly free elven souls will presumably turn up at some point as new elven factions. The only ones we've heard anything about so far are the Shadowkin, who dwell in the Realm of Ulgu. The two elven characters in the Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower game are Shadowkin.
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Guess thts wut i get for not buying any models after 2007 lol I hope they get remade soon in all their dark glory. The story is kinda cool tho
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Well, you missed the best bit, which was when it turned out Malekith was right all along and was, in fact, the rightful Phoenix King and Asuryan's mortal avatar. All the High Elf Phoenix Kings from Bel Shanaar to Finubar were in fact pretenders and only succeeded in passing through the Sacred Flame thanks to sorcerous trickery. Which is why most of them came to bad ends: Asuryan cursed them. Malekith getting burned by the Sacred Flame wasn't a punishment for his wickedness, it was what was supposed to happen. You have to burn to nothing and then be reborn in a whole new body, but Malekith wasn't expecting it so he backed out halfway through and stayed half-burned. If only Aenarion had actually told his son what to expect when passing through the Flame, a whole lot of trouble could have been prevented.

But then GW rebooted the universe, of course.
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The old Warhammer world is alive and well thank you very much - Nothing of GW's end times heresy is being recognised here :twisted:
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Shadowspite wrote:Well, you missed the best bit, which was when it turned out Malekith was right all along and was, in fact, the rightful Phoenix King and Asuryan's mortal avatar. All the High Elf Phoenix Kings from Bel Shanaar to Finubar were in fact pretenders and only succeeded in passing through the Sacred Flame thanks to sorcerous trickery. Which is why most of them came to bad ends: Asuryan cursed them. Malekith getting burned by the Sacred Flame wasn't a punishment for his wickedness, it was what was supposed to happen. You have to burn to nothing and then be reborn in a whole new body, but Malekith wasn't expecting it so he backed out halfway through and stayed half-burned. If only Aenarion had actually told his son what to expect when passing through the Flame, a whole lot of trouble could have been prevented.

But then GW rebooted the universe, of course.


As much as I dislike everything related to AoS and End Times, reading this still brings a warm feeling.
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As much as I dislike everything related to AoS and End Times, reading this still brings a warm feeling.

Nah, this was an abomination. Even before the formal "reboot", to rip apart their own lore like that showed colossal disrespect to the fan-base and spoke to GW's "we don't give a f**k about them" attitude towards their long-term customers. There was just so much that wouldn't work regarding High Elf and Dark Elf history up to that point for their final stupid epilogue to make any sense, let alone be enjoyable.

Better just to imagine that the universe froze prior to End Times and enjoy the richness and nuanced depth of the world and its lore that existed up to that point.

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Red... wrote:
As much as I dislike everything related to AoS and End Times, reading this still brings a warm feeling.

Nah, this was an abomination. Even before the formal "reboot", to rip apart their own lore like that showed colossal disrespect to the fan-base and spoke to GW's "we don't give a f**k about them" attitude towards their long-term customers. There was just so much that wouldn't work regarding High Elf and Dark Elf history up to that point for their final stupid epilogue to make any sense, let alone be enjoyable.

Better just to imagine that the universe froze prior to End Times and enjoy the richness and nuanced depth of the world and its lore that existed up to that point.

*End mini rant*


Well said on every level!
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The Lore of AoS still hasn't captivated me nearly as much as the Old World fluff. When the Aelves get their AoS release I wouldn't expect them to have a strong link to the old Elves. It's a completely different setting and art style with some old models crossing over.

But... The game is actually quite fun.
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I like the potential of the new setting, since part of the reason I left the hobby for a decade was that I got a bit sick of the Old World with its frankly absurd grimdark-upon-grimdark and hackneyed assortment of fantasy-counterpart-cultures. I actually don't ever want to see a return of faux-Egyptian undead, faux-Aztec lizardmen, faux-Monty-Python-and-the-Holy-Grail Bretonnia and so on.

But the new setting isn't really living up to the potential yet. There still isn't really much to hang an army concept on for most factions. We still don't really know enough about what the cultures and societies of the setting are like beyond a few snippets. And I get the feeling the GW design team are still stuck in the mindset of the old setting to a degree, which I think is hamstringing their ability to come up with truly different and original concepts. So Chaos worshippers are still basically the Marauder tribes from the Old World, dwarfs are still steampunk engineers with Anglo-Saxon war-masks, humans are still mostly 17th-century Germans, and so on.
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