Is any one sick of that frog?

[Haikon blackspire]

for like $2 a week. Its crazy.

Its even worse here.You get a ringtone on your phone, and the company sends you 5 advertisement texts daily,which cost £1.50 each to recieve.And you still have to pay to get the ringtone in the first place.

If I hear 1 more peson going "A DING DING DING, DINGDING DING DIIIIIIIIING" then I am going to explode.

And I am also sick of hip-hop.The only thing more stupid and pathetic than a criminal is a bunch of half-wits who act like criminals.

[Archdukechocula]

If peopole thjink rappers are talentless as a group, that is just sheer ignorance.Popular rap I woul argue is generally filled with talentless people, but popular music of virtually any kind is largely filledf with talentless people aiming at the lowest common denimoniator. It is simply bigotry to suggest this is a unique trait exclusive to rap.Del tha Funky Homosapien, The Coup, Blackalicious, and many others express a great deal of lyrical talent that is in many cases far in excess of the lyrical content of most other artists. If you instantly set some sort of bias against the genre as a whole, naturally you will never find anything in the genre you like, and naturally you wont really be able to express an educated opinion on the subject, since you clcearly must not actually explore the genre looking for good songs. If I looked to the radio for good rock or metal or country or techno or R&R anything else mainstream, I would conclude there is a barren wasteland amongst all these genres. But bother to gives any of these things a chance and do a littke digging, and you start to find good stuff. If I had based my opionion of country on what I heard on the radio, I never would have found JOhnny Cash. With rock, I never would have found WIlco, and so on. Using popular media as the golden standard of musical qual;ity doesnt strike me as a particularly bright move. Most music on the radio has long been lacking in complexity, depth, and feeling, and will remain so for as long as we live in a captialist system. Your genre isnt any better or superior. Its just wha tappeals to your tastes. If your taste happens to be very specific or narrow, dont go judging other musical genres based on that fact. Its like having a fundamentalist creationist lecture about evolution. Dont lecture about things you clearly know nothing about. Few things are more annoying than a person making proclamations on a subject they know nothing about. I hate it when people do it about gamers and roleplayers Some roleplayers are fat or anti-social,or have a tenuous distinction between fantasy and reality, but it is sheer ignorance to then generalize that to the population as a whole without first getting a real sense of what we as gamers are like. Until you actually explore the genre of rap, making these genralities is just as lame and ignorant as those people who makes such generalities about people like us who play wargames. Explore your subject before you go and cast judgment. Otherwise, realize your opinion is uninformed and is a stereotype.

[Archdukechocula]

And I am also sick of hip-hop.The only thing more stupid and pathetic than a criminal is a bunch of half-wits who act like criminals.

And the only thing more stupid than that is a bunch of adults playing with and painting fantasy toy soldiers and reenacting fictional warfare. Or at least, that is how it must appear to people who have never played the game and have no insight into our subculture. But, of course, we know that this attitude is just ignorance and steteotyping.

[Infection]

thats the thing though people find out were not (always) what we are stereotyped to be. BUT turn on MTV bass or any other channel really and all you have is your stereotype being proved. And as for the chavs that like it i only have to walk into the next street to hear "get him!" and have to run a lot. This is a new streotype built from stuff we all know happens with chavs and rappers.

And at the end of the day what i'm saying and a lot of others seem to be saying is were not minority in our opinions.
Nirvana rule (sorry needed to put that in again)

[Zentaricai]

rappers are talentless as a group, that is just sheer ignorance

rappers as a whole are talentless, break down a few of their simpleton/childish/barbaric lyrics adn you'll see...

They rarely write their own lyrics, "sample" other peoples riffs or entire songs for that matter...and genrally have no stage prescence. Just a bunch of pipe hittin homies singing about how tough they supposedly are

Del tha Funky Homosapien, The Coup, Blackalicious

Who?

must not actually explore the genre looking for good songs

I dont' have the time to crawl through buckets of manure to find a couple of gems...I don't claim to be a hip hop or rap expert--far from it...The rap we are talking about is "plastci-gangsta rap" the kind you'll find on MTV.

Dont lecture about things you clearly know nothing about

you know somethin Archduke, I'll comment and lecture on anything I please---and you don't have to be an "expert" in a certain area to have an opinion on it one way or another...

fact of the matter is most Druchii folks that have commented on this thread hate 50 cent, Chingyy and all the rest of the morons that are mainstream rappers--we know enough to know thatthey suck, and the people that like them suck--at least from a musical perspective.

Word to your Motha' **


**noted Rap Genious Vanilla Ice

[Infection]

Well said Zentaricai couldn't have put it better myself (and i've tried...). i think the link i put in earlier explains all and even though Zentaricai says you don't have to be an expert to make an opinion (very true) i am an expert on music and i have the degree to prove it.
Nirvana rule!

[Fellblade]

Music died with Kurt Cobain in my opinion...

... Music died with John Lennon.

No, Music died with Buddy Holly. No! Benny Goodman!

Fools. Music died with Satie. With Sousa. With Brahms, with Beethoven, Mozart, Bach (your choice of Bachs, actually).

Sheesh.

[Asperon thorn]

Bach was a hack. One good piece (Toccata and Fugue) and the rest was just a bunch of arpeggios. No talant at all, and the music didn't even rhyme!

Asperon Thorn

[Pmpn8ez]

And I am also sick of hip-hop.The only thing more stupid and pathetic than a criminal is a bunch of half-wits who act like criminals.

And the only thing more stupid than that is a bunch of adults playing with and painting fantasy toy soldiers and reenacting fictional warfare. Or at least, that is how it must appear to people who have never played the game and have no insight into our subculture. But, of course, we know that this attitude is just ignorance and steteotyping.

Sorry, I don't remember a bunch of adults who play with fantasy toy soldiers going out and condoning drug use, killing people, and breaking the law. We influence kids, yes, but in a different way. We want them to play the game; it represents soldiers fighting and killing each other yet at the same time it teaches strategy, critical thinking, and other actually valuable skills while maintaining a strong social element. On the other hand, rappers talk about killing, raping, drugs, violence, etc. and then they go and appeal to kids like they want them to listen to that kind of stuff. Even Eminem mentioned in one of his dirges that kids misunderstand their messages and take it the wrong way. Yes, we absolutely have the right to hate rap for what it is. It destroys children and causes them to ruin their lives and those of the people around them. Warhammer does not.

[Malius]

It destroys children and causes them to ruin their lives and those of the people around them. Warhammer does not.

meh unles you are like me and spend all the money of others around you to get warhammer lol, but i personally agree with what pmpn8ez has said.

the reason why i detest rap and what passes for r'n'b (what ever happened to rythem on blues?) is the fact that it encourages a culture of people who are anti-social, and menacing to others around them. Pmpn8ez is right, if you rap about drugs and killing, there will always be those who listen and take it the wrong way.

[Archdukechocula]

It destroys children and causes them to ruin their lives and those of the people around them. Warhammer does not.

meh unles you are like me and spend all the money of others around you to get warhammer lol, but i personally agree with what pmpn8ez has said.

the reason why i detest rap and what passes for r'n'b (what ever happened to rythem on blues?) is the fact that it encourages a culture of people who are anti-social, and menacing to others around them. Pmpn8ez is right, if you rap about drugs and killing, there will always be those who listen and take it the wrong way.

You mean like rock. And punk. And metal. And most genres of music? It is simple bigotry to be applying these traits to rap as if it were both 1) exclusive to the genre, which is far from the truth, and b) as if rap was some monotheic entity as opposed to one of the more diverse genres around.

Plenty of rap is about politics, religion, is opposed to violence, and in many cases is opposed in a direct fashoin to these exact stereotypes everyone keeps spouting here. It disturbs me incredibly that people are applying these stereotypes, and I have a hard time at this point thinking this isnt somehow attached to most rappers being black. All these stereotypes coiuld just as easily be applied to many many other genres of music (techno and druge use, rock and drug use and degredation of women and rape and violence, metal and violence and anti-social and criminal behavior, etc etc). Exclusively applying these stereotypes to rap implies that there is some additional element singling the genre out. Unless all you guys complaining about these features of rap, as opposed to its aesthetic, actually dont listen to rock, metal, punk, early country, swing, bebop, techno, and anything else with this kind of content, you are either being hypocrites, or are simply lying about your reasons for disliking rap. And having read the music threads on a number of occasions, I know a lot of the people here who cite rap as being a bad influence like rock and metal in particular, which is complete hipocrisy.

Sorry, I don't remember a bunch of adults who play with fantasy toy soldiers going out and condoning drug use, killing people, and breaking the law. We influence kids, yes, but in a different way.

Warhammer sets up a militaristic psychology in youths and glorifies violence, sex, rape, human sacrifice, and any other number of unethical activities. BUt most of us recognize it as entertainment. So it is with rap. I can think of very few ccasions where I have seen a rapper, in an interview or any other context outside of a rap video, condone violence or rape or any of these things. On the contrary, I have seen a great number of rappers actively engaged in work to reduce these things by working with non-profits or media venues. Most people have the common sense to distringuish between the content of a song and how they actually live their lives. I certainly havent started any major revolutions or burned down corporate buildings because I listen to The Coup or Dead Kennedys. As far as I can tell, the only way society has actually been all that influenced by rap is in aesthetic. People dress differently than they did ten years ago. Other than that I can see very little perceivable difference in peoples behavior, and I know crime rates in general have dropped around the country Whoopdity doo. So basically these rappers have got people to dress in baggy clothes and wear doo rags and speak differently. I hardly see that as a threat to our social fabric.

you know somethin Archduke, I'll comment and lecture on anything I please---and you don't have to be an "expert" in a certain area to have an opinion on it one way or another.

Excuse me. Let me rephrase. You shouldnt pass judgment on something you know nothing about, unless you want to appear uninformed, bigoted, narrow minded, or some combination there of. Naturally one is entitled to poorly formulated opinions.

've got it! chavs like RAP cos its easy to sing and make and means nothing! I have proof of how simple the songs are which also shows why people who like real musicians (and/or can play an instrument) despise RAP so much

A lot of rap is extremly complex lyrically and has a very clear and strong mesage. And it is simply innacurate to suggest that "real" musicians disdain rap. PLenty of the worlds most talented musicians collaberate with rappers. Most of the best musicians are pretty open minded, which has a lot to do with ones talent. A person open minded enough to work with artists of different genres will have a much broaders set of musical skills to work with.

What is evident with this whole thread is that a lot of people here seem to have stereotypes about rappers, that are quite apparently uninfomred (as stereotypes tend to be), generalized to the group regardless of individual differences that are rife within the genre, and which is actively hostile towards the group. Stereotypes are a pretty uncritical way to view any group, be they rappers, a culture group, or anyone else. If you dont like rap, fine, but dont go making broad statements about a genre you clearly know nothing about, unless you want to sound ignorant or racist or elitist. Its a great way to offend people, and to help along discriminatory behavior, but stereotypes arent useful for much else. Its an intellectually and emotionally lazy thing to clasify the world in this manner. If you dont like rap purely because of how it sounds, that one thing. But distinguish that from calling all rappers "criminals" and making other such completely uninformed patently false statements that just sound racist and bigoted. I can readily supply a list of 20 rappers who are none of the things people have complained about if anyone is interested, just to illustrate that these stereotypes are wrong, and I can also provide lengthy lists of musicians from many other genres whose lyrics are just as "criminal" in content.

[Infection]

I'll take your word for it although my view of a lot of RAP is unchanged (if by collaborations with respectable artists you mean linkin park i think thats wrong).
Oh and if by rock lyrics being bad as well i think you should listen to some Nirvana as they do not degrade women and do not promote drug use (yeah he did it, he was depressed he died role model for everyone that even the greatest people's lives are ruined by drugs). I also believe that some RAP songs do promote drugs and if you say there are those rappers who try o get rid of their bad image list them here and i will be happy to have a listen.
I also think your suggestion that we are simply being racist is silly because its the people who listen to RAP that cause problems who are usually chavs.
This link i think really shows what many peoples opinion of rap is.
http://gizoogle.com/showimage.php?id=32

[Archdukechocula]

I'll take your word for it although my view of a lot of RAP is unchanged (if by collaborations with respectable artists you mean linkin park i think thats wrong).
Oh and if by rock lyrics being bad as well i think you should listen to some Nirvana as they do not degrade women and do not promote drug use (yeah he did it, he was depressed he died role model for everyone that even the greatest people's lives are ruined by drugs). I also believe that some RAP songs do promote drugs and if you say there are those rappers who try o get rid of their bad image list them here and i will be happy to have a listen.
I also think your suggestion that we are simply being racist is silly because its the people who listen to RAP that cause problems who are usually chavs.
This link i think really shows what many peoples opinion of rap is.
http://gizoogle.com/showimage.php?id=32

Im not saying anyone here actually is or isnt racist, as that cant reallly be established in this context. However, someone might reach that conclusion based on the way things are being said. As far as rock beign bad, I think you totally missed my point. My point was, if we applied these same standards across all genres, we would have to conclude that rock is the same, as is punk, and other genres as well. But, as anyone who listens to such genres knows, such a standard is an idiotic stereotype that illustrates a complete lack of understanding of the genre. Rock doesnt promote drugs and violence, its just frequently talks about them, and in many cases, glorifies them in song which is not the same as condoning their use. In some cases people will take it as such, but they are responsible for their life choices, not the artist. Kids are arguably a tricky case, because one isnt fully responsible till they are an adult, but at that point it is the parents place to regulate things in a reasonable fashion (which rarely includes draconian tactics such as tossing your kids CDs out the window, which only creates resentment and disdain, and usually reinforces behavior, and often leads to more extreme rebelliousness). Music is about life, and life has a variety of things in it, and frankly, I would find it more than a little boring and monotonous if musicians only preached positive conduct and only sang happy tunes. If I wanted that I would go to christian rock concerts.

[Mielkith]

It is mostly (tempted to say all here and I'm not convinced I would be wrong) talentless dribble despite anything you say. You may be able to name a rapper who is more or less competant with lyrics. The best thing he/she could do is hand the words over to someone wo can make something of it.

[Infection]

Like i said listen to nirvana you can hardly call that happy. I see your point about rock and drugs but what i'm saying is i think Nirvana draws you away from drugs completely. Although i agree if kids listen to the stuff by Nirvana and RAP about drugs being bad they will probably get the wrong idea and think drugs are cool. I know that link i put in was a joke but have a look at the intended age. However nirvana has deeper meaning to understand the things sang about whereas i think RAP is easier to undersand which you'd think would be a good thing but it appears to have the opposite effect of making kids misunderstand the point easily. Also kids hear RAP more often than rock because RAP is popular and anyone who gets into rock (i.e nirvana) are usually at an age where they can understand. Also little kids like swearing they think its funny, i know i was one...
Nirvana rule!

[Sv_harlequin]

If you don't like the music don't listen to it - maybe you don't enjoy it but someone sure does cause they're playing it.

Yeah but the point is like the frog sometimes you have no choice about listening to it becuase it is everywhere, like when buying a cd from a record store and they have it playing etc...

[Mielkith]

Or living in a house with the thickest little brother who refuses to turn off the music channels. Or sitting on a bus with a couple of twits who refuse to stop quoting offensive lyrics that they seem to find hilariouse.

[Malius]

I have a hard time at this point thinking this isnt somehow attached to most rappers being black

Im not saying anyone here actually is or isnt racist

kinda condradicts there, and i might be inclined to take offense because i am most definatley NOT a racist.

but i have a feeling this thread is turning nasty, and i reckon it should be locked soon before it does. being a pacifist (call me yellow if you want ) im going to avoid argueing on the matter any more and i think Archdukechocula that we should agree to disagree on this subject

btw, i was not stereotyping about the culture it was encouraging. i was part of that culture but got out because i didnt like what i was seeing and found my peace with Led Zeppelin and Nirvana.

[Infection]

I agree lets leave things at that. I like Nirvana and i think its great, you like RAP and seem to believe that it has decreased the crime rate

I know crime rates in general have dropped around the country Whoopdity doo

Wonder what country you live in...
in conclusion many think RAP is annoying and makes things worse whereas those who disagree will continue to make us listen and hate it more. No problem; we can go home and listen to nirvana instead of the TV and radio.

[Darmort]

That frog is sick. Most modern music is sick.

Let's see, the band nearest to Pop is perhaps Maroon5, but they're Light Rock according to what my dad told me.


That frog though.......


U2's gone a bit too Pop for me.... their old stuff is better.


That frog though.......


Rap is just a word without a c infront of it in my opinion.


That frog though.......


Did I mention that frog? 'tis one nutty, crazy, sick person who made that frog....

[Loran]

It's sad to see young people try to mimic rappers, which is the case here in Finland. At least with kids around 15-19 or so. The rap as it is now sucks. It was a lot better when it was a new thing, when you go back a decade or two, that is I prefer more of "older" music, like Deep Purple or Iron Maiden. Sure, there are a lot of good bands out there as it is (not to mention bands like AC/DC and Iron Maiden, who have been at it for decades). But especially in rap, the new ones haven't really grasped anything that would identify them as different from others. It's sad really...

Oh yeah, the frog... Annoying bugger, that one is...

- Loran

[Mielkith]

Well, its official. Crazy Frog is the UK's top selling single this week. It is a sad day indeed for anyone who isn't a chav and/or mentally challenged.
A sad day indeed. God I hate berbury.

I've heard New Zealands nice..

[Darkprincess]

Am I the only person who's noticed that when the frog originally hit our tv screens, it had a clearly visible penis dangling between its legs - Look closely now, and you'll see that there's a rather more obvious black rectangle covering up its dangly bits

As for (c)rap, well I've never heard a rap track yet that sounded anything remotely like the product of any form of actual talent.

It is a sad day indeed for anyone who isn't a chav and/or mentally challenged.

And the difference.....would be what ?

[Eldacar]

Personally, I hate rap and hip-hop. I've heard it, and I dislike everything about it. My musical taste is different, and as such, I just can't stand to listen to rap or hip-hop.

However, that doesn't stop me from having some level of respect for people like Eminem, who actually try to be good parents to their kids and everything if they have them. As a person themselves, they may be all right, but their music, IMO, is just bad.
But to the wannabe ones who are always trying to act like a pimp and so on because they think it's cool, I have no respect for them at all.

Am I the only person who's noticed that when the frog originally hit our tv screens, it had a clearly visible penis dangling between its legs - Look closely now, and you'll see that there's a rather more obvious black rectangle covering up its dangly bits

I saw it.

As for (c)rap, well I've never heard a rap track yet that sounded anything remotely like the product of any form of actual talent.

Well said.

[Deathjester]

the frog is eating up my life, i can't get away from it.....

it's on 2 yes thats right 2 out of every set of adverts between my beloved television programs all day, for the last 2 god damned days it's driving me to suicide... (or at least to be as mentally retarded as the people who bought the single (and NO i will not getting a copy EVER))

Can we get it banned from TV?