Sniper Rule

Kold · Post by **Kold** » Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:55 pm

Can a character with the"sniper rule" shoot and wound/kill specically a Hag Queen with a Cauldron, a Runesmith in an Anvil...a hierofant in a casket of souls...
I had a problem with friends and we cannot explain if it can be possible or not...

Post by **Calisson** » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:04 pm

The sniper rule p.75 explicitly mentions the ability to aim at any model, including a character on a chariot or a monster, a champion or a character joining a warmachine.

A Hag Queen with a Cauldron, a Runesmith in an Anvil seem both liable to be sniped.

Post by **Dalamar** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:03 pm

Except Hag on a Cauldron and Runesmith on an Anvil are a single model together with their war machine and its crew. There are no discernible parts to aim at with the sniper rule.

Vulcan · Post by **Vulcan** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:41 am

I don't know about the Anvil, but the Cauldron is a warmachine. You can't snipe a particular crewmember off a warmachine.

Now a character in a unit, that's a whole 'nother story.

Hainzy · Post by **Hainzy** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:14 am

True. Using the example of the Hag with the Cauldron. The Cauldron is a warmachine and the Hags are the crew. However the Death Hag is a character so I would say she WOULD be able to be sniped unfortunatly.

Despite the fact that she's part of the warmachine crew. Dunno... I can see a valid argument for both sides. But I say YES. You could snipe her.

Oh, apart from the Hag, Runesmith or Hireofant characters (unless specific rules state otherwise) cannot join warmachines.

Cheers,
H :twisted:

Post by **Dalamar** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:15 am

You can't have the cauldron without the Death Hag, she's permanent and undetachable part of the machine. Hellebron would be another story.

Kold · Post by **Kold** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:26 am

The doubt comes about the unit type.
The rules says that when you shoot at a warmachine, you must use the thougness of the machine, cause all the machine is treated as a unique miniature....but the sniper rule explain that you can shoot at a character wherever he could be...unit, chariot or warmachine.. Then we suppose that the sniper rule let use the toughness of the character, cause is a special rule that ignore the "standard rule"
But the problem comes when the cauldron is not a warmachine, is a "unique" unit, I suppose that the Dwarf anvil too.. and the other problem is with the Casket of souls, because the protector is not a character,,,,

Vulcan · Post by **Vulcan** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:29 pm

Wait, the sniper rule says they can pick out characters wherever they are - even as warmachine crew?

Kold · Post by **Kold** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:13 am

As is noted in the sniper rule description a CHARACTER can be shooted even if he is placed in a warmachine.

Thetosh · Post by **Thetosh** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:46 am

But that's things like a Master Engineer being placed with a Grudge Thrower, not the standard war machine crew.

Kold · Post by **Kold** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:39 am

Good point...otherwise it's not clear... maybe we could see a FAQ for this

Silverheimdall · Post by **Silverheimdall** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:12 am

Master Engineer cannot be placed with a war machine but gets a Look Out Sir from being near a war machine.

Kold · Post by **Kold** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:44 pm

Finally GW Spain answer us. As they explain, you can shoot at a character who joins a machine, but you can't shoot at a normal "crewman".
The only thing that they don't comment is about what T. is used, the character T. or the warmachine T. as is used with normal shoots.

Post by **Dalamar** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:10 pm

and GW Spain is full of crap because characters can't join war machines.

Only "characters" with war machines are normal crewmen.

Characters that "join" war machines Dwarf and Empire Master Engineers come to mind, stay 3" away and aren't really part of the crew (if you shoot the machine the engineer can't get hit no matter what)

Kold · Post by **Kold** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:26 pm

I explain myself wrong, sorry.
As they say, you can shoot to a character like Hag in a cauldron, Runesmith in an anvil etc... they didn't note what T. is used, the character one or the machine one.
Other doubt that we have is.... is a er hieronfant a character?

Zenith · Post by **Zenith** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:17 pm

Either way, always the bests stats and saves are used.
So says the the errata about the cauldron.

Post by **Dalamar** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:25 am

As they say, GW support is wrong.

If you shoot at Hag specifically... you take off 1 of the crew, because they don't have their own wounds and war machines specify very clearly how you remove wounds from them.

Death Hag with a Cauldron has 4 wounds and T10 against ranged attacks, go ahead and snipe her.