Dark elf poll

Naggarothavenger · Post by **Naggarothavenger** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:35 pm

This is a pressing issue

Dragonblade · Post by **Dragonblade** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:32 pm

Witch Elves, many attacks but don't send them against knights.

Rare units as flagelants wich are perfectly good to take CoK out of the game for many turns will be cut down at no time. Great swords have no chance either. As long the enemy unit doesn't have at good AS then tehy have no chance.

Executioners are good against knights but that about it. you have other units as a Druchii that can do the same job better.

Tayrod · Post by **Tayrod** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:40 pm

Executioners, If your playing a shooty empire or even worse heavy artillery, a cannonball bouncing through a unit of witch elves will cost you quiet some points, Executioners are cheaper and very good agianst cavelery I think.

Gorthaur · Post by **Gorthaur** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:55 pm

witch elves are great vs the average empire troops, exe's would be better for taking out the heavy cavelary.

Manwe · Post by **Manwe** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 7:24 pm

witch elves have 16 poisoned atacks in a 5 wide unit and 4 of them can be manbane!!!! there's not much that can stand up against that
:twisted:

Auric stormcloud · Post by **Auric stormcloud** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 7:29 pm

Moving to Tactics Forum.

Black hydra · Post by **Black hydra** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:25 pm

This is tricky but it relies completely on his army.

If he has tons of knights it is pretty obvious to bring in the executioners.

Otherwise the witches will decimate his weak, lightly armored troops.

Witch elves kick ass against any lightly armor T3 opponent. Executioners only exceed against powerhouses.

So if I were vs goblins I would bring witchelves, chaos ... Executioners.

'nuf said

Post by **Grogsnotpowwabomba** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:34 pm

Tayrod wrote:Executioners, If your playing a shooty empire or even worse heavy artillery, a cannonball bouncing through a unit of witch elves will cost you quiet some points, Executioners are cheaper and very good agianst cavelery I think.

True, but the Witch Elves are not that much more expensive and will not run away when shot up, like Executioners have the potential to do...

Jabberwocky · Post by **Jabberwocky** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:35 pm

witches, they destroy their infantry, especially because witchbrew can help negate the flank and outnumber bonus of their detchment rule.

Post by **Grogsnotpowwabomba** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:41 pm

To the original poster:

What type of army does your opponent field? The answer really comes down to what he fields, as each unit has a specific role on the battlefield...

Misda · Post by **Misda** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:59 pm

Witch elves against units like spearmen, ect.
Its amazing how they die in hoards against witch elves.

Executioners against knights. Killing blow and 5 str is good

If your not sure what he is going to field, but you know its an empire army, I would probably go for witch elves simply because some empire players dont field knights, so you have better odds with the witch elves.
It all depends on what you have, and what you like to see on the board tho.
I like the executioner models so much I hate to play without them !lol!

Maelis · Post by **Maelis** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:09 am

I like Witch Elves better.
Here are the reasons:

1) YES, I am sexist.
2) They are immune to psychology due to frenzy.
3) Hag eqiped with manebane can add 4 S5 attaxks against T4 troops. Its almost like WHOLE unit of Executioners. And you still have more than 10 attacks from the witches with poison.
4) The models look realy cool. Execs to, but youknow what I mean.
5) They can deal with almost any kind of threat. Heavy armours can stop them, but Hag should take care of it (but only when target has high T).
6) They wont flee due to exccesive shooting.
7) They have I6 and will almost always stike first in second round of combat.

I use 12-15 Witches, Hag with manebane, Standard and Champion.

I know that Executioners are very good unit, but I like to have them as support, not my main. I use Execs in the number of 10, 5x2 with Champion and Standard. I give them Banner of Murder for better effect.

Lud von pipper · Post by **Lud von pipper** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 1:40 am

Black Hydra wrote:
So if I were vs goblins I would bring witchelves, chaos ... Executioners.

'nuf said

...Unless you end up hitting a really nasty Black ork unit: with a good standard they become as murdrous as Witches, but with higher T, S and a good armor.
They cost less so they will probably kill you without effort (they did to me).

I usually go with Exec because I need a cheap high strenght unit, and use Corsairs as cheaper witches with armor: no poison but you can still hit humans at 3+ and can deliver 2 attacks for model (three for the Champ).
You also can get a good banner to beef them up and they have better protection VS shooters.

You can use other units to do what witches do, but you can't do the same for Exec, which, being armoured and cheaper, also tend to attract less fire form the enemy.

LvP

Death by dread · Post by **Death by dread** » Fri Nov 21, 2003 9:26 am

Witches with the CoB backing them up....works real good for me and hacked my opponent off. It was his first time playing against the DE and thought the witches couldn't hurt him so didn't pay them any mind until they were in his face and watched his units get smaller and smaller as we played. :twisted:

Lord saradain · Post by **Lord saradain** » Fri Nov 21, 2003 9:32 am

This is a tough poll. It really depends on what kind of Empire Army your facing. But almost all Imperial Armies I have faced on tournaments have a heavy Cavalry section and alot of shooting. I would go for Executioners as these are much cheaper than WE and are real cavalry killers. I would prefer alot of spearmen as these can soak up casualties and your average elf is elite compared to a M4 Ws3 ld7 Human. You only need Exec, or Black Guard to counter his sublime heavy cavalry.

Darkspear · Post by **Darkspear** » Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:31 am

well I suppose it is a balanced empire army with the mosst 10 knights(dangerous assumption i agree). then u shuld usee witch elf. use ur magic and rbt to counter his knights while ur light troops will remove his shooters. our infantry is clearly superior

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:34 am

executioners because of killing blow and they talk to me. :twisted:

Khan · Post by **Khan** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 6:11 am

Both....executioners are very famous, maybe a waste of initiative but witch elves have no armour saves. +1 i think in HTH combat and have 2 poisoned attacks....they are both too good. Against empire i think Executioners would be abit better handleing the empire guys but....i just don't know. Witch elves are also really good!

Both ways if empire has alot of shooty (handgunner shooty i mean) they will both have 0 armour saves so i'd take witch elves. Executioners are good against horsemen but witch elves are good too....this is too HARD!

I can't make up my mind. It depends what your army list is!

Non dark elf players think they are both really good but for them they say Witch Elves. Executioner or Witch elves...both too good.

Khan · Post by **Khan** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 6:12 am

Oh and the time i was typing this it is 27 to 27.....both the same so yes this is very hard!

Z-man the hunter · Post by **Z-man the hunter** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:00 pm

when vs empire. whats the diffrence between armored troops and no armor against there shooting. but w/ a caludren of blood witchelves have a save

Reaverblade · Post by **Reaverblade** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 6:54 pm

witch elves are better, if you protect them from shooting. since they have no armour they get shot down easily, but when they make it to close combat there is nothing that can stop them (except for knights or a steamtank). I was gona put witches in my army, but seeing my main opponents are going to be chaos, brettonia and vampire counts (and occasionally orcs) they aren't likely to do much damage

Lud von pipper · Post by **Lud von pipper** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:25 pm

Well, as I said, against humans (shooty one expecially), Corsairs are a better bet then We, with lot of attacks and 4+save.
For chivaries go for Exec.

I don't like WE much (at least on the battlefield) so i'm biased

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Lud von pipper · Post by **Lud von pipper** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:26 pm

Well, as I said, against humans (shooty one expecially), Corsairs are a better bet then We, with lot of attacks and 4+save.
For chivaries go for Exec.

I don't like WE much (at least on the battlefield) so i'm biased

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Jabberwocky · Post by **Jabberwocky** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 3:00 am

With CORE 1+ save inner circle cavalry, the executioners are critical and are one of the only units we have who can effectivaly deal with the problem. Sure, those witches would be great against his infantry and mow them down, but not if they are forced to charge a unit of 1+ sv Str4 knights.

This is if you are forced to choose between the two. Otherwise take a small unit of each if you can.

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