Hydra blackest thing in creation after 8th edition

King porky · Post by **King porky** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:51 pm

I have just been speaking to my store manager and he has dropped a few hints about 8th edition number 1 being hydras get an additional 2d6 attacks for being monsters and flame weapons can be used in combat (but only once a game) and will cause 2d6 attacks so that is a total of 31 attacks. (potently)

Asgoth · Post by **Asgoth** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:19 pm

Its not quite like that, but It will be even better

i´ll assure you... hydras will be ridiculously kick ass even compared to 7th edition....
Tomorrow i can share things with you when im allowed....

Booyeah 8th edition is here!!!

King porky · Post by **King porky** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:29 pm

Great ,this is what my store manger told me (he has been known to fib or overeducate ) but that was how he explained it to looking forward to hear what you have been told tomorrow

Post by **Dalamar** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:07 pm

All Large Targets will get extra d6 "crushing" hits at their basic S value. All breath weapons will be useable in combat for 2d6 hits at the breath weapon S value.

But Breath Weapons are going to be one use only now... So make sure you use it when you REALLY need it.

Sulla · Post by **Sulla** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:50 pm

It seems stupid in the extreme to let monsters breathe and fight in the same phase of combat, but what do I know, I'm not a games developer...

It's not gonna stop the hellpit abomination being the most powerful monster in the game I think, but it will make hydra and chaos dragons needlessly boosted in combat in 8th.

Firebuck · Post by **Firebuck** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:37 am

Hey, it does have 5 heads so maybe it will get five breath attacks per game instead of one.

Hainzy · Post by **Hainzy** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:45 am

Firebuck wrote:Hey, it does have 5 heads so maybe it will get five breath attacks per game instead of one.

Nice try mate!

Points for effort but I'd don't think that's gonna happen like that.

Cheers.
H :twisted:

Post by **Dalamar** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:55 am

5 S1 attacks! <.<

Firebuck · Post by **Firebuck** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:25 am

Well, I admit I didn't think about it that way but perhaps we could split it at our discretion. 5 S1 or 2 ST2 and 1 ST1 or 1 ST3 and a ST2 etc. But yes, I do not think it is going to happen like that.

Asgoth · Post by **Asgoth** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:39 pm

All Large Targets will get extra d6 "crushing" hits at their basic S value. All breath weapons will be useable in combat for 2d6 hits at the breath weapon S value.

But Breath Weapons are going to be one use only now... So make sure you use it when you REALLY need it.

Its exactly like Dalamar said...

Dragons and hydras etc. will be extremely powerful, but so will many more units allso.

-peace
Asgoth

Post by **Gee** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:19 pm

Asgoth wrote:
All Large Targets will get extra d6 "crushing" hits at their basic S value. All breath weapons will be useable in combat for 2d6 hits at the breath weapon S value.

But Breath Weapons are going to be one use only now... So make sure you use it when you REALLY need it.

Its exactly like Dalamar said...
Dragons and hydras etc. will be extremely powerful, but so will many more units allso.

-peace
Asgoth

Also worth pointing out the changes to monster and handlers.

The handlers are pretty much ignored now except in two cases. You don't measure from or to them. The Hydra effectively moves as a lone monster and gets charged as one. Handlers still get to attack but can never be targeted in CC. On the other hand you have to roll a dice for every unsaved wound the Hydra takes on a 5+ the wound is applied to a handler instead. So handlers will go down a lot quicker.

Regen has also changed a bit. Ward OR regen not both. Also if you take a wound from flaming attack then you lose regen for the rest of the phase.

Venkh · Post by **Venkh** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:23 pm

Our Ld 8+ hydra is going to hard to march block so there will be no issues getting into the rigt position for that s5 hit everyone touched breath weapon.

Swordmasters? What Swordmasters?

Red... · Post by **Red...** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:19 pm

Swordmasters? What Swordmasters?

To be fair, that's true under the current rules too!

Venkh · Post by **Venkh** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:24 pm

It is but we might see bigger units and with no partials far more damage potential

Post by **Drainial** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:44 pm

Unless you have already used it on a regiment of white lions two turns ago of course.

Venkh · Post by **Venkh** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:11 am

Yeah its a one shot weapon now but the damage potential of that one shot is insane.

We could also see up to 4 hydras fielded in 3000 pt games or perhaps 3 and 2 reapers.

I would have thought that 2 and 4 reapers would be optimal myself. Especially vs high elves who just hate being shot at.

Even at 2250 there is room for either 3 of the things or 2 AND 2 reapers.

Post by **Drainial** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:51 am

Of course your friends will never play you again, unless they take 5 cannons or something (obviously not HE)

Post by **Dalamar** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:37 am

2000 points can field a hydra and 3 reapers. Except reapers kinda suck, 2 hydrae still ftw!

Venkh · Post by **Venkh** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:38 am

Of course your friends will never play you again

I think there will be a period of no holds barred as people get to grips with the new system. Nobody really knows what bent combo's our opponents are going to be thinking up for our amusement.

Personally I tend to go for all out dirtyness at first (within a theme) and gradually tone my army down till i hit a happy meduim.
I havent actually been playing my Dark Elves at all recently.

As long as there are dragons flying around there will still be a need for reapers. Not sure if we will be seeing as many support units around though. Fast Cav arent what they were.

Red... · Post by **Red...** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:19 am

We could also see up to 4 hydras fielded in 3000 pt games

That's not a huge change from now, where you can field 3 hydras in a 3k army.

I think there will be a period of no holds barred as people get to grips with the new system.

If my opponent is a dark elf [edit: dark elf player] and turns up with two hydras at 2250, I won't be using the new rule book to find out if they're still as beardy as they were in 7th, I'll be too busy beating him around the head with it. :evil:

Venkh · Post by **Venkh** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:24 am

I won't be using the new rule book to find out if they're still as beardy as they were in 7th, I'll be too busy beating him around the head with it.

Lots of your WoC stuff got better too. Your opponent might be fighting back with the new engineer tools after he's shipped a couple of hellcannon shots and fought massed flail marauders :O

Jeffleong13 · Post by **Jeffleong13** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:01 am

Don't forget the Black Dragon Egg ... That should be a nasty trick for a wizard or DR Noble

Rabidnid · Post by **Rabidnid** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:34 pm

The new monster and handler rules will make the hydra much less survivable. Basically all hits (or was it wounds?) on the hydra have a 33% chance of hitting a handler, so the handlers will be dead in the first turn or two of combat most games. They are only worth 175 points now.

Venkh · Post by **Venkh** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:41 pm

Why does this matter? The hydra is a killing machine even without the handlers.

Has the reaction table changed?

Bitterman · Post by **Bitterman** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:06 pm

Rabidnid wrote:The new monster and handler rules will make the hydra much less survivable. Basically all hits (or was it wounds?) on the hydra have a 33% chance of hitting a handler, so the handlers will be dead in the first turn or two of combat most games. They are only worth 175 points now.

Sure the book rules don't override that? The DE book says anything that can attack the hydra must attack the hydra.