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Grandmaster ej · Post by **Grandmaster ej** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:31 am

Characters
Supreme Sorceress + Level 4, Lifetaker, Focus Familiar, Pendant of Khaeleth, Black Dragon = 670
Level 2 + Dark Steed, 2 Scrolls = 197
Assassin + Rending Stars, Manbane, Additional Hand Weapon = 151

Core
10 Repeater Crossbowmen + Shields, Musician = 115
5 Dark Riders + Repeater Crossbows, Musician = 117
5 Dark Riders + Repeater Crossbows, Musician = 117
5 Harpies = 55
5 Harpies = 55

Special
5 Shades + Additional Hand Weapons = 85
5 Shades + Additional Hand Weapons = 85
5 Shades = 80
15 Black Guard + Champion, Soulrender, Standard, Banner of Hag Graef = 273

Total = 2000
Kill-Points = 15
Casting = 8
Dispel = 5 (2 Scrolls)

Characters
Supreme Sorceress + Dark Pegasus, Focus Familiar, Pearl of Infinite Bleakness, Null Stone Shard = 375
Master + BSB, Dark Steed, Heavy Armour, Sea Dragon Cloak, Shield, Soulrender, Pendant of Khaeleth = 177
Sorceress + Level 2, Sacrificial Dagger, Dispel Scroll = 185
Assassin + Rending Stars, Manbane, Additional Hand Weapon = 151

Core
20 Spearmen + Shields, Musician = 143
10 Repeater Crossbowmen + Shields, Musician = 115
5 Dark Riders + Repeater Crossbows, Musician = 117
5 Harpies = 55
5 Harpies = 55
5 Harpies = 55

Special
6 Shades = 96
6 Shades = 96
6 Shades = 96
15 Black Guard + Champion, Crimson Death, Standard, Banner of Hag Graef = 283

Total = 1999
Casting = 8 (Dagger)
Dispel = 5 (Scroll)
Kill-Points = 16

Characters
Supreme Sorceress + Level 4, Lifetaker, Focus Familiar, Pendant of Khaeleth, Black Dragon = 670
Level 2 + Dark Steed, 2 Scrolls = 197
Assassin + Rending Stars, Manbane, Additional Hand Weapon = 151

Core
10 Repeater Crossbowmen + Shields, Musician = 115
5 Dark Riders + Repeater Crossbows, Musician = 117
5 Dark Riders + Repeater Crossbows, Musician = 117
5 Harpies = 55
5 Harpies = 55

Special
5 Shades + Additional Hand Weapons = 85
5 Shades + Additional Hand Weapons = 85
5 Shades + Additional Hand Weapons = 85
5 Shades + Additional Hand Weapons = 85

Rare
War Hydra = 175

Total = 1994
Kill-Points = 15
Casting = 8
Dispel = 5 (2 Scrolls)

in order from top to bottom list 1,2,3 for comments.

Post by **Dark Alliance** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:45 am

Well done. I'll comment later when I've had a good think...

Slortor · Post by **Slortor** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:56 pm

on a general note - i'm not sure why you're shade spamming. In most of your lists (excepting prehaps list one) I'd say drop two units and get a hydra.

Personally I'd probably go with the third list - having lost 2 shade units and added another Hydra. List two also looks good - it has some more flexibility than the others - not a huge fan of list one though.

Mitch is one of the best people to talk to though - not sure who else uses the Dragon Mage that often....
probably no help at all these comments.... but i try.

Post by **Calisson** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:01 pm

I don't understand why you take shades with ahw.
I would understand naked shades, as a mobile shooting unit.
I would understand GW shades, very handy to crack nuts.
But ahw shades are good only against the weakest opponents. Is it that you mean, with them, to kill an opposing magician hidden in his babysitting unit? In that case, isn't it paying too much?
I would suggest to take a mix of GW and naked shades, but no more than 1 unit (preferably 0) of ahw shades.

Level 4 + level 2, the magic phase is going to be nice.
Personally I'd drop 1 or 2 units of shades and try to get one more sorceress level 2, in order to get really heavy on magic.
But hopefully the opponent's magic defense will not be too efficient against your "mere" level 4 + 2.

All this said, I like better list 1: I suggest taking 1 unit with GW and 2 naked units. Otherwise, the BG is a safe bet, as always.
In comparison, list 2 has more wounds, but you'll regret not taking the dragon

.
List 3 has just too many shades. No fun, not necessarily efficient.

Post by **Dalamar** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:20 pm

I prefer the third list, the other two simply don't seem to have enough punch in units and you're not going to win games with magic alone.

But even then I think I'd drop 2 units of shades in favour of a unit of CoKs for even more punch.

Marauder mitch2 · Post by **Marauder mitch2** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:25 pm

I like the 3rd list but drop 1 unit of shades and Harpies to get 5 Cold Ones they give you some punch and can support the dragon when you want to committ.

Post by **Dark Alliance** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:36 pm

Lets get the confirmation of the scenarios first.

I'm at GW tomorrow so I will get a definitive answer, then we can talk turkey...

Grandmaster ej · Post by **Grandmaster ej** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:31 pm

That would be nice DA

Slortor · Post by **Slortor** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:33 pm

grill em for us

grill em good

Post by **Thanee** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:19 pm

From those, I think I like the 2nd best, though I would swap the two sorceresses (Lvl 4 with Dagger on foot and Lvl 2 on the Pegasus).

Also, aren't the Pearl and the Null Talisman both Talismans?

Bye
Thanee

Post by **Dark Alliance** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:07 pm

OK, the pack HAS been changed. Exactly as I said. Check it out...

http://warhammerworld.typepad.com/warha ... vents.html

Grandmaster ej · Post by **Grandmaster ej** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:08 am

I need inspiring, bad day of games with dark elf doubles list vs daemons doubles list, mix of mistakes, bad lists and unaverage rolling, someone give me some inspiration to write a good list and play with it... if the GT was tomorrow id use daemons. :cry:

Post by **Dalamar** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:20 am

Gimme list of your models. I'll make you an army

Post by **Dark Alliance** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:53 am

Take this

http://www.druchii.net/viewtopic.php?t=59971

If you don't like my BSB/COK combo swap it for the pendant BSB, and the knights for an Assassin with stars, manbane and the cloak. Spend the spare points on additions where you see fit.

Grandmaster ej · Post by **Grandmaster ej** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:23 am

I must admit I am definatly intruiged by your BSB/COK combo. Think il give that one a try.

Painted models that il have by GT:

sorceress + Peg
2 Sorceresses on foot
dark steed BSB
dark steed master
Cauldron
2 Assassins
master + peg
master + manticore
dreadlord + dragon/sorceress + dragon

15 dark riders
10 crossbowmen
18 harpies

10 shades
4 chariots
6 knights
20 black guard

1 hydra
4 bolt throwers

in addition I could get SOME of this painted in time:

I own 45 spearmen / crossbowmen (unfinished)
15 witch elves
10 shades
1 hydra
2 masters on foot
1 bsb on foot

But think I will by trying my own version of your idea DA, thanks.

Grandmaster ej · Post by **Grandmaster ej** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:36 am

Level 4 - dark pegasus, scroll, focus familiar = 360
Level 2 - scroll, darkstar cloak = 185
BSB - dark steed, hydra banner, sdc, ha, shield, lance = 206

5 DRs - rxbs = 110
5 DRs - rxbs = 110
10 Warriors - rxbs, Musician = 115
5 Harpies = 55
5 Harpies = 55

6 COKs - std, ch, ring of hotek, hag graef = 254
5 Shades - ahw = 85
5 Shades - gw = 90

Hydra = 175
2 RBTs = 200

2000pts
Kill-points = 20

the kill-points tally worries me...

Post by **Dark Alliance** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:37 pm

There are 2 kill point scenarios only don't forget. In those rounds your biggest threats are probably WOC who can do a lot of damage without needing los. That is where the ring comes in, along with judicious use of your rbts.

The army is small enough to hide effectively whilst still gaining the necessary points to win the game. Don't forget that once the rbts have done their job, the crew can voluntarily leave the machine and hide if they become threatened. You don't give away the kill points then.

The list is good imo and can work the other 2 scenarios as well. Try it out.

Grandmaster ej · Post by **Grandmaster ej** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:56 pm

Dark Alliance wrote: Don't forget that once the rbts have done their job, the crew can voluntarily leave the machine and hide if they become threatened. You don't give away the kill points then.

makes me feel better about it

Post by **Dark Alliance** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:35 pm

Pg 86 BRB.

Grandmaster ej · Post by **Grandmaster ej** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:47 pm

dont own a rulebook mate :lol:

Post by **Dark Alliance** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:33 pm

How many birthdays, Xmas and paydays have gone by...

Best hope I forget that before the final!

Marauder mitch2 · Post by **Marauder mitch2** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:10 pm

EJ, i feel the same and i could go Woodies. Do you want a challenge if we both use the same list as Gary posted and get gary to have a comp to see who comes highest over the weekend.

Say a fiver on it???

Grandmaster ej · Post by **Grandmaster ej** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:27 am

oooooh i like the sounda that

you have me tempted mitch... how about we modify it slightly so that were both happy with it (personally id like a few tweaks) but id be willing to consider that, sounds like my kinda challange

Mordru · Post by **Mordru** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:13 am

From list two this is a set of equipment I just don't understand.

Master + BSB, Dark Steed, Heavy Armour, Sea Dragon Cloak, Shield, Soulrender, Pendant of Khaeleth = 177

Why Soulrender on a mounted character? It negates your shield, makes you strike last and still only yields +1 Strength. I would rather have sword of Might and keep my shield and initiative intact.

Also, I know some folks disagree but I rarely take the Darkstar cloak anymore as a result of the PoD. I'd rather have Tome of Furion or a power stone.

I like your last list best or maybe the third list, I have no problem with the xhw shades although I would like to see a unit or two with GWs.

Marauder mitch2 · Post by **Marauder mitch2** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:30 am

We are allowed to change up to 2 units and up to 2 magic items.