Throne of Sculls - 2k List - no restriction

Thora · Post by **Thora** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:12 am

Hallo everybody

I want to go to the ToS but have no idea if my list is competitive...

Here it is without CoB so i can have more men:
1 Lord: 315 Pts. 15.7%
2 Heroes: 325 Pts. 16.2%
4 Core Units: 564 Pts. 28.1%
2 Elite Units: 390 Pts. 19.5%
2 Rare Units: 350 Pts. 17.5%

Supreme Sorceress, lvl4, Seal of Ghrond, Sacrificial Dagger, Lore of Shadows - 315 Pts.

Sorceress, lvl2, Scroll, Lore of Metal - 160 Pts.
Master, HA, Shield, SDC, Biting Blade, Pendant of Khaeleth, Dragonhelm, BSB - 165 Pts.

34 Dark Elf Warriors, Shields, M, S, C, Banner of Murder - 278 Pts.
16 Crossbowmen, Shields, M - 181 Pts.
10 Crossbowmen, M - 105 Pts.
5 Harpies - 55 Pts.

20 Black Guards, M, S, C, Ironcurse Icon, Banner of Eternal Flame - 310 Pts.
5 Shades - 80 Pts.

War Hydra - 175 Pts.
War Hydra - 175 Pts.

Total: 1999

BSB goes to the BG, SS to the spears - max change position with the secound girl via magic before she comes into CC.
I´m not realy happy with the list. except the 2 Hydra is nothing realy dagerous.

The secound sorceress has got the metal lore if something comes with big armour or to spend flamming attacks or additional armour.
Here is a option with CoB-BSB.

1 Lord: 315 Pts. 15.7%
2 Heroes: 385 Pts. 19.2%
4 Core Units: 505 Pts. 25.2%
2 Elite Units: 390 Pts. 19.5%
2 Rare Units: 350 Pts. 17.5%

Supreme Sorceress, lvl4, Seal of Ghrond, Sacrificial Dagger, Lore of Shadows - 315 Pts.

Sorceress, lvl2, Scroll, Lore of Metal - 160 Pts.
Death Hag, Cauldron of Blood, BSB - 225 Pts.

35 Dark Elf Warriors, Shields, M, S, C, Banner of Murder - 285 Pts.
10 Crossbowmen, Shields, M - 115 Pts.
10 Crossbowmen, M - 105 Pts.
5 Harpies - 55 Pts.

20 Black Guards, M, S, C, Ironcurse Icon, Banner of Eternal Flame - 310 Pts.
5 Shades - 80 Pts.

War Hydra - 175 Pts.
War Hydra - 175 Pts.

Total: 2000

Can anybody help me?
Do I start at the wrong end? A Highlord on Pegi with Pendant and crown is tough but can´t win a game (I think).

Aveleys · Post by **Aveleys** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:37 pm

I like the second list better, though here are some adjustments that could be made. In that list you only have 2 blocks of infantry so here try combining the repeater crossbows into one unit of 20 with command and shields so they can re form and act as another infantry block, if you go with this consider putting your level 2 in there so that you can give her the guiding eye and get an excellent shooting phase when you really need it. The level 4 would be much better with the dagger and the pendant for an aggressive magic phase and to give her really good protection.
Cheers,
-Ave

Thora · Post by **Thora** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:06 pm

Thank you for your reply.

I had have an other idea on my way home.
Maybe this is too crazy...

1 Lord: 285 Pts. 14.2%
1 Hero: 225 Pts. 11.2%
3 Core Units: 515 Pts. 25.7%
2 Elite Units: 625 Pts. 31.2%
2 Rare Units: 350 Pts. 17.5%

Supreme Sorceress, General, lvl4, Sacrificial Dagger, Lore of Shadows - 285 Pts.

Death Hag, Cauldron of Blood, BSB - 225 Pts.

12 Crossbowmen, M - 125 Pts.
12 Crossbowmen, M - 125 Pts.
35 Dark Elf Warriors, Shields, M, S, C, Gleaming Pennant - 265 Pts.

20 Black Guards, M, S, C, Banner of Murder - 320 Pts.
20 Black Guards, M, S, C, Banner of Eternal Flame - 305 Pts.

War Hydra - 175 Pts.
War Hydra - 175 Pts.

Total: 2000

Simply running forward and try to kill something :twisted:

this maybe the secound list with combinied RxB

1 Lord: 300 Pts. 15.0%
2 Heroes: 385 Pts. 19.2%
3 Core Units: 520 Pts. 26.0%
2 Elite Units: 390 Pts. 19.5%
2 Rare Units: 350 Pts. 17.5%

Supreme Sorceress, General, lvl4, Opal Amulet, Sacrificial Dagger, Lore of Shadows - 300 Pts.

Death Hag, Cauldron of Blood, BSB - 225 Pts.
Sorceress, lvl2, Scroll, Lore of Metal - 160 Pts.

19 Crossbowmen, Shields, M - 214 Pts.
38 Dark Elf Warriors, Shields, M, S, C, Banner of Murder - 306 Pts.
5 Harpies - 55 Pts.

20 Black Guards, M, S, C, Ironcurse Icon, Banner of Eternal Flame - 310 Pts.
5 Shades - 80 Pts.

War Hydra - 175 Pts.
War Hydra - 175 Pts.

Total: 2000

Aveleys · Post by **Aveleys** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:38 pm

Once again I prefer the second list, it is a lot more flexible and blackguard don't generally work well in two units since even though they are good, they still have easily exploited weaknesses that really handicap them, so having both of them gives your opponent a good chance of doing so and really inflicting some damage on your army.
Cheers,
-Ave

Thora · Post by **Thora** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:03 am

Once more, tanks for your reply.

The only thing I don't like at the secound list is that there is only one shooting (ok, with shades 2) unit to take out some small stuff.
On the other hand I have 2 Sorceress dealing damage (or buffing/debuffing) and I have the harpies - at least something to try to deal with warmachines.

Aveleys · Post by **Aveleys** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:21 pm

Well if you feel like you need more units to deal with war machines, I recommend dropping the sorceress (lev 2) and replacing her with more shades, you could run 2 units of 7 with additional hand weapons which would be 28 shots at BS 5 and they will role over almost any artillery in close combat.
Cheers,
-Ave

Thora · Post by **Thora** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:47 pm

But wouldn't dropping the secound sorceress leed me into weeker magic offence and also (loosing the scroll) magical defense?

But i will consider it... doesn't sound bad

Aveleys · Post by **Aveleys** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:35 pm

thora wrote:But wouldn't dropping the secound sorceress leed me into weeker magic offence and also (loosing the scroll) magical defense?

But i will consider it... doesn't sound bad

That is true, but at Throne of skulls there will be lots of gunline builds that will completely paste an army without ways to kill the war machines very quickly. Magic is good, but unreliable, which is why it is dificult to justify taking more of it while allowing your army tobe weaker in another area that is also important.
Cheers,
-Ave