Mightypeon wrote:Some Additions:
1: All examples assumed onmarked Saurus Warriors.
True, but it's the same numbers for spear + shield + quetzl, which is another probable case. So saying that the probability results aren't valid based on just that is a bit off base.
In my experience, the marking of Quetzl is the most propable.
The stats are signifcantly tweaked as the LZM Chance to pass armour saves agasint CoKs doubles.
Well, it moves from the 4+ (assuming hand weapon and shield) to 3+ base saves - which in the case of a charge moves the base probability to wound from .37 to .30. The chance to make armor saves doesn't double ... the entire analysis is based on first turn results only.
In addition, some posters had very strange situations which do not happen in a normal battle field (unless you are playing CoS).
For instance?
A) The CoKs in the Flank situation: This is rare. The only way this is goign to happen is by breaking the LzM flanks, these flanks tend to be protected by Skink+ Kroxigor formations.
Sorry, I disagree. I've blown through Salamanders to get to the flanks and rear, skinks, etc. You can also hold up a unit of Saurus with Black Guard, or frankly any charging unit to allow you to move to the flanks. Sure, a good player will guard them as best they can, but it's not that hard to get a flank charge off on a slow opponent with fewer units.
I will just present some averages:
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Inregards to a Hydra banner, if you have a Battle standart I have a Scar vet who has 4 S7 attacks.
Somehow I thought you were a Lizardman player from the tone ... The responses I've had from other players here have been far more positive even when making negative (but constructive) feedback.
In addition, You Battle standart bearer is a significantly softer target that the reast of the unit, so that I will get an additional dealt wound agasint him.
I'll refrain from making a response to this ... someone else can point out the obvious to you. Or not.
Taking your own characters into account while not considering the significantly stronger LZM ones is self illusion.
And when was this done exactly? I stated at least once (if you had bothered to read the thread) that characters and magic items weren't being considered in the probability analysis - only the individual units. Part of the reason was because I predicted a response just like the one you are making. I find the "my character can beat up your character" type of discussion rather uninteresting and rather pre-schoolish.
I think this will be my last response to negative posts from the Lizardman community players since there doesn't seem to be any point in discussion. I think anyone who did a critical analysis of the post would realize that I was pointing out that a block of Saurus was a unit to respect in the upcoming campaign and needed to be handled with careful tactics -- with an analysis to the probability of success for a given case. If you are missing that point, there's not much that I can do about it.