Queen Bess? Hell-Hammer Cannon?

Kolken · Post by **Kolken** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:19 am

I was looking at the vampire-pirates list GW had online for the lustria campaign and was wandering how that last odd rare choice came to be. It mentioned that the Queen Bess could be a "Hell-Hammer Cannon", something to do with the Nuln engineers? Can anyone contribute some history behind this concoction?

Pmpn8ez · Post by **Pmpn8ez** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:12 pm

It's most likely some random name that GW just made up for the purposes of that fluff. To put it simply and frankly, it's a really, really big cannon.

Ansob. · Post by **Ansob.** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:41 pm

Aye, like the one that used to be part of Middenheim's defenses... Silly GW. :roll:

Nagathi · Post by **Nagathi** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:24 pm

I'm not sure it shoots canonballs either. 3" wide things... That's a bit big for the cannonaballs.

Nagathi
The Daemonwhisperer

Pmpn8ez · Post by **Pmpn8ez** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:26 am

Probably not cannonballs in the normal sense, but as Ansob. said, it's more likely than not very close to the huge Sigmar cannon they had in Middenheim. If so, it's just a very big cannon that shoots equally large cannonballs, though I wonder how they manage to get that big a ball of scrap metal... just one could make a lot of smaller cannons, mind you.

Ansob. · Post by **Ansob.** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:51 am

pmpn8ez wrote:just one could make a lot of smaller cannons, mind you.

What? Nonsense - that would be logical!

Azure · Post by **Azure** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:50 am

and as we all know... GW fluff and rules cant be logical

Mr_piechee · Post by **Mr_piechee** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:03 am

lol

i'm thinking a 'ghost ball'... a cannong ball surounded by an etheral essance.
an wahy for the model i would say a helcannon barrel, and a screaming catpult frame.

Mielkith · Post by **Mielkith** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:31 am

FYI the Middenheim cannon was called Ulrics Thunder. Thought I might clear that up.

Konrad von richtmark · Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:49 am

While making a lot of smaller cannons would be more effective in terms of killing power, having a humongous cannonball splat an entire regiment with one shot probably instills profound fear into the enemy army.

This is a historical fact, both the German super-heavy siege cannons of WW2 and the super-nukes the US built during the Cold War were built knowing that the same power divided into smaller parts would cause more damage, but the demoralizing effect of these weapons was considered to compensate well enough.

Mr_piechee · Post by **Mr_piechee** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:52 am

has any1 made an army for the list, or converted a cannon? or played with the list?

Pmpn8ez · Post by **Pmpn8ez** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:00 pm

I've played against the list with a VC-playing friend who wanted to give it a try. We did a series of 4 games, none of which ended well for the forces of Luthor Harkon and one of which I even proxied for a different army (O&G). The fact that all of his troops were zombies made it really easy to destroy large units very quickly, especially without the ability to re-raise them. Most of my magic was neutralized (unsurprisingly) but even with 2 of those move-and-fire cannons, a ton of deck gunners, and a queen bess, things didn't bode well for the undead. The biggest problems it faced was being consistently outmaneuvered, unable to hit *anything* needing 6's, and extremely poor fighting units.

Mr_piechee · Post by **Mr_piechee** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:10 pm

sounds gd..lol... did he hav fun making the army though? thats realy th only reason you would feild it....

Kuldar · Post by **Kuldar** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:53 pm

While making a lot of smaller cannons would be more effective in terms of killing power, having a humongous cannonball splat an entire regiment with one shot probably instills profound fear into the enemy army.

true

This is a historical fact, both the German super-heavy siege cannons of WW2

yes with the heavy guns it would be more effective

and the super-nukes the US built during the Cold War were built knowing that the same power divided into smaller parts would cause more damage, but the demoralizing effect of these weapons was considered to compensate well enough

erm no not really no there is no way you can put the same destructive effect of a hydrogen bomb into several smaller bombs because a hydrogen bomb litteraly trashes 50 square miles of land and makes 1000 square miles unlievable for the next 500 years due to radiation so no it would not be possible to create similar destructive power if you didnt use several thousands "smaller" missiles.

but you are right the main reason with the hydrogen or the weaker uranium bomb is to scare peoble

Sorceress · Post by **Sorceress** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:34 pm

Hellhammers were an Empire ship type in Man-O-War a Warhammer naval game. Esentially they had a single huge cannon.

Macknight · Post by **Macknight** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:47 pm

The vampire coast list treat me quite well as I am 5 wins to 1 loss, its a good list but the magic items could be a lot better. I've made some conversions for the deck guns and the Queen Bess, check them out here:

http://groups.msn.com/TheWarhammerPhoto ... egion.msnw

Mr_piechee · Post by **Mr_piechee** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:49 am

erm... you do relise that the blast is bigger than the front of your gun... it works well in the fact u've used motars as normal cannons and a great cannon as the hell bess, but the barrel should be more hell cannon like....

how does the army play? do you have an special tactics with it? what pts do u play?

Maaksel · Post by **Maaksel** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:29 am

QUeen bess shoul dbe hell cannon sized! ha

Either that or its shooting magic balls out... with a THREE INCH TEMPLATE! hahaha

Mr_piechee · Post by **Mr_piechee** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:07 am

it does shoot magic balls... but they don't grow... there enchanted.. in an evil way.

Alkkrision · Post by **Alkkrision** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:02 pm

Ok, I thought the Queen Bess was a massive ship with a huge cannon on it...just because Queen Bess sounds like the name of a ship, and with the idea that it's a Zombie Pirate army, having a ship with a massive cannon on sounds like a good idea. However it is probably just a really big cannon with a cool name.

Mr_piechee · Post by **Mr_piechee** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:31 pm

it is a ships cannon, but a special ships special cannon.. and everything on the ship is dead.. and magical... there for its a special massive magical gun of doom.. the full sotry is in the WD.. its a gd army, just needs rule work...

Queen Bess? Hell-Hammer Cannon?

Queen Bess? Hell-Hammer Cannon?

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