Vampire Counts Rumours

Ehakir · Post by **Ehakir** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:03 pm

Hello,

Since the HE are (near) official released now, I suggest we go on to the next army. So, have you guys heard any rumours yet? At my local playing place, they said that VC are going to get the following changes:

Zombies become skirmishing, one unit can use the general's weaponskill

New unit: Wraiths. Banshees will be the unit champions

Black knight upgrade => Blood knights, which are a rare slot, and are ofcourse undead. Furthermore they would have basic two attacks each and S5, T4 2+ Asv. They would be equipped with lances and be frenzied, so on the charge 3 S7 WS crappy attacks per model.

Dunno if it is true, but hey, it's a start

Post by **Drainial** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:05 pm

Sounds far fetched to me, Zombies with ws6+ and undead with frenzy and strength 5? Who are your sources? Unless you happen to play with the game develpers I am inclined to think this is wishful thinking by VC players.

Endrin paladii · Post by **Endrin paladii** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:16 pm

I have heard similar things from my sources. The blood knights mighth ave a decent weapon skill to boot because they are actually a unit of low teir vampires.

Comrade igor · Post by **Comrade igor** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:37 pm

Warseer.com for the latest rumors.

- Ghouls are no longer skirmishers
- No more bloodlines, all powers in 1 big pool
- New flying monster "Varghulf" aka were-bat
- Knights of the Blood Keep, a unit of Vampire Thralls, Frenzy, Rare choice
- New plastic Grave Guard + other models (no new black knights)
- 5 special characters, all Von Carstein
- Armies must be led by vampires (after all, the army is called Vampire Counts not Vampires & Friends)
- New black coach powers, uses powerdice each turn (voluntarily) to power up and receive benefits e.g. fly
- New magic items inc. an item that makes Skeletons within 8"/12" (cant remember exactly) use the Vampires Weapon Skill.

Thats about all i can remember right now..

Danceman · Post by **Danceman** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:39 pm

Zombie rumour = false. They are not skirmishing. They are however reduced to S2 along with a point drop.

The knight of blood keep is indeed true but it is NOT a black knight upgrade its a 0-1 rare choice of which the points will land on about 50-60pts a knight. They are indeed low tier vampires.

Try looking over at warseer.com instead and you´ll get alot more reliable rumours instead of people who dont really know what they´re talking about.
You´ll get a much better idea that way.

Cheers

Khel · Post by **Khel** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:40 pm

I do hope the Ghoul rumour isn't true. if they aren't skirmish anymore, my plans for my VC army go down the sink

Danceman · Post by **Danceman** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:15 pm

Not only that but it seems they are also getting the undead rule, so no more flee reaction. Too make things more simple... but also I suspect so Strigoi vampires actually can join the unit they´re supposedly lords over.

I gotta say though, a unit of T4 A2 and unbreakble in our special way doesnt sound that bad, depending on the cost of course.

True if the changes are true VC it will change the way its played quite alot... however I dont think this isnt for the worse, quite the opposite.

Lordofthenight · Post by **Lordofthenight** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:20 am

Bloodlines are apparently gone. However, vampires will be getting a seperate bloodline power limit (as well as the magic item limit) with a much larger bloodline range so you can effectively chose your bloodline.

I heard zombies were becoming S and T2, and being unable to persue. However, if there's a plague cart nearby (new unit, dunno much about it) then gain regenerate.

The Special Characters are Vlad, Isabella, Konrad, Mannfred and Mannfred Ascendant (after Hel Fenn). Apparenly the models for which are all awesome (I've only seen Mannfred though).

No Vampire Lords now, just the single Lord vampire choice. (I expect there may be Bloodline powers that give stat boosts). I think Master Necromancers are gone as well.

Dalakh deathblow · Post by **Dalakh deathblow** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:32 pm

Khelmor wrote:I do hope the Ghoul rumour isn't true. if they aren't skirmish anymore, my plans for my VC army go down the sink

Even if it's true, and according to the folks on Warseer that will be the case and I have faith in them, the new VC still worth the shot. The sneak peek pictures of the future models are just awesome. And I'm liking the rules rumour section. And after all, after SoA, we can hope that armies will be better and stronger eh

Belial · Post by **Belial** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:31 pm

Removing the bloodlines? This has me bellowing in rage! I do hope they still put out a broad range of models, so you, in theorym still have your Blood Dragons and your Necraches, etc.

Knights of Blood Keep sounds really good, but I really shouldn't hope they were frenized. They are Blood Dragons, cool composed warriors of great pride, not mindless killing machines.

Silverheimdall · Post by **Silverheimdall** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:44 pm

Click me for pictures

Fixed the link for you

-Lyhne
Mod.

Tenebrae · Post by **Tenebrae** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:02 pm

@silverheimdall: please do not post excessively long urls, it messes up the page. Instead, learn to use the [ url ] tool, like this: VC models - sneak peak.

Dggrj · Post by **Dggrj** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:32 pm

It messes up the page? How? I don't see it (and I ask so that we can talk about it in Hotech's Software Cabal and try to fix it). Can you post images of what it does or describe it?

Mostlyharmless · Post by **Mostlyharmless** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:54 am

the url isn't long enough to actually mess up the page.

Danceman · Post by **Danceman** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:12 am

Belial. wrote:Removing the bloodlines? This has me bellowing in rage! .

You can still make a Blood Dragon vampire just that you arent 100% restricted to current BD powers. You will be able to make more customized vampires.

They bloodlines are _NOT_ gone fluffwise.

Azure · Post by **Azure** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:34 am

Blood Knights sound fantastic but if they are truly 50-60 points a model I would expect a Ward Save of some kind... These arent chosen we are talkin' bout!

-Rex

Darthken · Post by **Darthken** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:53 am

sounds like they are bringing back a few old undead magic items from the herohammer days.
IIRC the old tombkings crown used to allow undead units within 12" use the wearer's WS.

Also the someone suggested the plague cart might make a return. that would be cool cause i still have the old model somewhere.
* digs around in bits box at the back of the cupboard*

Saint of m · Post by **Saint of m** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:07 am

To me it sounds like you can now customize the army more. I havent seen the site, so I can't be sure. Can you upgrade one vampire with a Blood Dragon upgrade, and the vamp next to him with the Lahmia upgrade?

Khel · Post by **Khel** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:37 am

I want to hear about any New characters or Characters being remade. Did someone say reincarnation of Nagash?

Blackfrost · Post by **Blackfrost** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:23 am

I heard ethereal is getting nerfed. It just allows you to move through terrain without penalty but you can be hit in combat normally. I've also read that Black Knights will get the ethereal rule.

Post by **Grogsnotpowwabomba** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:46 am

I have seen pictures of new Grave Guard, and I am almost certain they are plastics. Sounds good to me!!

Mr. anderson · Post by **Mr. anderson** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:52 am

the new grave guardians sort of made me consider collecting a 2k army of them (once i´ve found a new job

)

HUZZAH!

Raneth · Post by **Raneth** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:00 am

Begging praying hoping for some decent-looking Undead Knights! Anyone got a link?

Post by **Drainial** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:21 pm

Ugghh, all I can say is that the Manfred on the link up the page is seriusly lacking, its not a bad model but it looks much more like a chaos lord to me, luckly the curant model is great anyway.

Andruillius · Post by **Andruillius** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:28 pm

I heard warseer has a great rumour thread going on these things.

http://warseer.com/forums/fantasy-rumour-roundup/40093-vampire-counts-army-book-rumours.html