8 Ed. 1000 pts Empire lists - your views?

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8 Ed. 1000 pts Empire lists - your views?

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Hi all. A friend on another forum has agreed to look at these for me, but I would welcome anyone's opinions. Feel free to - POLITELY! - criticise anything and everything in the lists. Please bear in mind the following:

* I generally don't do 'one trick ponies'
* I generally avoid WAAAC lists
* I am generally happy to win one in two of my games. This doesn't generally happen, but I'd rather be thought of as a lucky but sporting opponent than "That Tedders guy with the WAAAC Empire army".
* Also, I don't really have a specific regular opponent or army so these are just designed as balanced Empire lists.

Thanks in advance!!

**************************** LIST A **********************
Player: Robert Tedders
Race: The Empire (Men).
Army: The Nordmark Garrison.
Points: 998 pts.
Magic Lores: Fire

Hero(es):
Fr. Hans Lutz w' h' weapon, h' armour, shield and the Shroud of Magnus. 146 pts

Wizard Hans Hoffman w' h' weapon, Sigil of Sigmar and Channelling Staff. 95 pts

Hero(es) total: 241pts/24.1 %

Core:
30 Swordsmen w' standard and musician. 195 pts
Detachment: 15 Halberdiers w' shields. 90 pts

30 Halberdiers w' shields, standard and musician. 192 pts
Detachment: 15 Swordsmen. 90 pts

Core total: 567 pts/56.7 %

Special:
1 Mortar. 75 pts

6 Pistoliers w' musician. 115 pts

Special total: 190 pts/19 %

********************* LIST B ********************************
Player: Robert Tedders
Race: The Empire (Men)
Army: The Schlacthausen Relief Force
Points: 995 pts
Magic Lores: Fire

Hero(es):
Wizard Max Von Sydow w' Lv. 2 and a Dispel Scroll. 125 pts

Fr. Bjorn Hoffman w' h' armour, shield and the Sigil of Sigmar. 115 pts

Hero(es) total: 240 pts/24 %

Core:
10 Crossbowmen w' marksman. 85 pts

40 Swordsmen w' standard and musician. 255 pts
Detachment: 20 Halberdiers w' shields. 120 pts
Detachment: 10 Archers. 80 pts

Core total: 540 pts/54.0 %

Special:
1 Gt. Cannon. 100 pts

6 Pistoliers w' musician. 115 pts

Special total: 215 pts/21.5 %

******************* LIST C *********************************
Player: Robert Tedders
Race: The Empire (Men)
Army: The Waldenhof Garrison
Points: 1000 pts
Magic Lores: Fire

Hero(es):
Wizard Bart Von Lenk with Lv. 2 and a Talisman of Endurance. 130 pts

Hero(es) total: 130 pts/13 %

Core:
10 Crossbowmen. 80 pts

30 Swordsmen with standard and musician. 195 pts
Detachment: 15 Halberdiers with shields. 90 pts

30 Halberdiers with shields, standard and musician. 192 pts
Detachment: 15 Swordsmen. 90 pts

Core total: 647 pts/64.7 %

Special:
1 Gt. Cannon. 100 pts

6 Pistoliers with musician. 115 pts

Special total: 215 pts/21.5 %
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Post by Dangerous Beans »

They all look fine and well rounded to me, I'd play any of them frankly I start disliking playing against empire at 2k upwards when you start seeing all of the following in the same army:
- level 4 on Heavens
- Steam Tank
- War Altar + van horsmanns arch lector
- Hellstorm
- Cannon (x2 sometimes)
- Mortar (x2 sometimes)
- Large Flaggelant unit
- pegasus hero
- maybe another large infantry unit + some missile units OR LOADS of missile units

Turtle, fire and kill.

*yawn*

Your lists however look fun!
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In general I have found detachments to be unnecessary. Those points are sort of tied up (as they have to remain next to their parent unit) and are easily broken by missile fire.

Of the 3, I like list C. Always nice to see a fire mage blowing things up. If you drop the shields off the halberdiers and a detachment, you can make room for additional units, or a warrior priest.
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Post by Noble korhedron »

Silic wrote:In general I have found detachments to be unnecessary. Those points are sort of tied up (as they have to remain next to their parent unit) and are easily broken by missile fire.

Of the 3, I like list C. Always nice to see a fire mage blowing things up. If you drop the shields off the halberdiers and a detachment, you can make room for additional units, or a warrior priest.
I've found shields are often worth it against low-S shooting. What would you say about dropping the detachments for a warmachine or extra missile troops. T.B.H, I've found detachments useful when I can get them into combat, it's getting into combat that generally proves to be the tricky part....
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