Honour Guard Squad/Command Squad question

Rangeltoft · Post by **Rangeltoft** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:38 pm

Just a quick question regarding the Honour Guard/Command squad.

Do they work like the old "retinues" or are they independent squads that don't have to be deployed with the Chapter Master/Captain?

Oh, and can you take hellfire rounds with a combi-bolter?

/Cheer Rangeltoft

Post by **Rork** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:02 pm

Does it say the IC has to join the unit/can't leave it?

In there lies the answer to your question.

Rangeltoft · Post by **Rangeltoft** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:24 pm

Actully doesnt say anything..

The reason I'm asking is because of the Dawn of War deployment.

But going from what you said Rork, I can't deploy my Chapter Master with the Honour Guard in that specific misson

Tordeck · Post by **Tordeck** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:39 am

They are a seperate listing. Not a retinue. Therefor the IC does not have to ever be with the HG/CS.

A combi-bolter while being a bolt gun base is not a bolter. I would say no they cant use Hellfire Rounds. Just a heavy bolter or bolt pistol cant.

Aspiring executioner · Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:58 am

I'd actually say you can take hellfire rounds in a combi-weapon as it still has a bolter in it just with an attachment on top of it. FAQ is probably needed to clear it up properly though.

Tordeck · Post by **Tordeck** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:23 am

FAQ is months away. Till then house rule will be the only way to decide.

A combi-bolter is not a Boltgun and RAW would dictate that it would not be eligible for hellfire rounds.

"Note that Hellfire rounds can only be used in a boltgun." - Directly from the book.

Aspiring executioner · Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:23 am

Well if Cassius's Combi-Flamer is anything to go by you can, as his has hellfire rounds. Although it could just be for him and him alone, but I shall play as if all combi weapons can take Hellfire rounds untill a FAQ says otherwise.

Post by **Rork** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:31 am

While a combi-weapon isn't a bolter as such, it does consist of a bolter and a special weapon.

I don't see how the bolter portion is any different to a normal bolter.

Ebonyphoenix · Post by **Ebonyphoenix** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:19 am

Per the description on Combi-Weapons on page 97 of the new SM codex, any combi-weapon counts as a bolter with the option of using the extra weapon instead of a consistent discharge of bolter rounds. As the description for a boltgun (on the same page) also states that it is referred to as a bolter, I see no problem with using the Hellfire Rounds when firing the combi-weapon as a bolter.